Beat this one!

Gambatte

Seems strange we complain about car drivers ignoring the lane markings etc. on the floor, driving in cycle lanes, parking in cycle lanes, cars crossing advance stop lines. We complain about drivers of other vehicles not understanding the needs of cyclists and how much space we need etc.

But then gripe because a vulnerable group i.e. toddlers require a foot or two more to safely enter and exit a vehicle??

Definite smell of hypocrisy there……

Or maybe it’s true, once you’re considering how it affects you in a car, you forget what you’ve learnt cycling? You’re complaining about a bit of a walk to the doors, whilst you’ll look for variations to extend the cycling route home?

Its one thing I’ve learnt since cycling, not think like a ‘typical driver’. If I’m on my tod, rather than fight round near the doors for a space, go to the further reaches of the car park. A good deal less stressful, and a gentle stroll in.

It’s not enough to just go to the less occupied areas of the car park with kids in the car. You can look for a nice isolated spot with plenty of space to open the doors, go shopping and come back to find you almost need to climb in thro the boot.

redddraggon

Gambatte wrote:

But then gripe because a vulnerable group i.e. toddlers require a foot or two more to safely enter and exit a vehicle??

Definite smell of hypocrisy there……

Or maybe it’s true, once you’re considering how it affects you in a car, you forget what you’ve learnt cycling? You’re complaining about a bit of a walk to the doors, whilst you’ll look for variations to extend the cycling route home?

I don't know whether you're targeting me but you're not reading what I've written. You can have all the space you want, but the disabled spots should be the priority near the store entrance.

From what you're saying, you want it safe for the kids? Well park well away from the store door, where it's less busy and no one is competing for a parking space. That's what my sister has always done with her unruly kids, and she's never had a problem walking the 200m or so to the door.

Oh and When I'm on the bike I don't want to treated any differently to a car. I don't want any special treatment. Cars rarely cut up other cars like they do to bikes etc etc..

BentMikey

redddraggon wrote:

Cars rarely cut up other cars like they do to bikes etc etc..

Really? That's not my experience, drivers are much worse to each other than they are to bikes, for the most part.

redddraggon

BentMikey wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

Cars rarely cut up other cars like they do to bikes etc etc..

Really? That's not my experience, drivers are much worse to each other than they are to bikes, for the most part.

Well that's probably just southerners, they're aren't too bad up here. I guess we're just more civilised (at least to other car drivers).

Gambatte

redddraggon wrote:

you're not reading what I've written....

1.You can have all the space you want, but the disabled spots should be the priority near the store entrance.

2. Well park well away from the store door, where it's less busy and no one is competing for a parking space.

1.

Gambatte wrote:

Personally i don't need them near the entrance. Seems a bit strange to be on a cycling forum and complaining about having to walk 50 yards. However you do need to be able to open the doors fully.

2.

Gambatte wrote:

It’s not enough to just go to the less occupied areas of the car park with kids in the car. You can look for a nice isolated spot with plenty of space to open the doors, go shopping and come back to find you almost need to climb in thro the boot.

redddraggon

Gambatte wrote:

It’s not enough to just go to the less occupied areas of the car park with kids in the car. You can look for a nice isolated spot with plenty of space to open the doors, go shopping and come back to find you almost need to climb in thro the boot.

Well you're obviously not parking the right place. At my local Tesco's there's good few hundred places where the lazy bastards won't park.

Gambatte

redddraggon wrote:

Gambatte wrote:

It’s not enough to just go to the less occupied areas of the car park with kids in the car. You can look for a nice isolated spot with plenty of space to open the doors, go shopping and come back to find you almost need to climb in thro the boot.

Well you're obviously not parking the right place. At my local Tesco's there's good few hundred places where the lazy bastards won't park.

So now you're advocating that with a family you should park where no one else will?

So you've gone from merely saying that the supermarkets shouldn't take note of their main customers requirements in a private car park to families should behave like lepers?

I am parking in 'the right place'. I'm parking according to the parking bays. Looks like everyone else will now park in 'the right place' or pay for the priveledge.

Gambatte

redddraggon wrote:

But you're contradicting yourself. You want space and safety but you also want to join the melee. How retarded.

Nice end to your statement, real class act.....

As you're keen on saying "you're not reading what I've written....", or you're being deliberately obtuse??

I believe I said I want to park in the bays designated for parents and toddlers, when I have toddlers with me, where I will have space and safety. I have a problem when ignorant inconsiderate drivers without kids park in those spaces. I have also stated I see no real reason for them being right next to the doors, as its merely the additional door room I need.
Or to link back to cycling, I'd prefer there not to be another vehicle in the door opening zone.
I've also said when on my own I park well away from the doors as its easier to actually find a space and 30 seconds of walking isn't a big deal. This is an option I've pointed out can be problematic with kids as you can still get someone parking very close whilst you're inside shopping.

There's no contradiction there, as far as I can see? :roll:

Gambatte

redddraggon wrote:

Why quote something that isn't there?

The only thing I can think you're referring to is:

Gambatte wrote:

As you're keen on saying "you're not reading what I've written...."

Got it from your post at 17:35

Eat My Dust

redddraggon wrote:

Well you're obviously not parking the right place. At my local Tesco's there's good few hundred places where the lazy bastards won't park.

I couldn't agree more. Go to my local B&Q or Tescos and there's a mad panic to try and get the spaces close to the doors. Look across the car park and there's hundreds (yes hundreds) of empty space!!!

h i r 0

In my experience of dealing with both disabled passengers and child passengers in supermarket carparks, their needs are similar to an extent: You need to be able to open the doors fully and move from the car to the shop safely, preferably without having to negotiate a kerb or walk where cars are moving, especially in reverse gear.

As a carer for a disabled person I would prefer these spaces near the entrance. The family parking spots are just as necessary in my opinion, but could easily be further away as long as the route to the shop is safe.

Cunobelin

I got congratulated in Carlisle last week......

Going down Botchergate when some numpty pulls out of a junction in a 4x4 and stops across the road.

Full anchors and stop about 8 " from his door....

I had also shouted very loudly "WATCH OUT" as I did so.

About 15 people all looked round to see what the problem was, and two young lads in late teens complimented me on my braking... and then along with another gentleman stating loudly what an "Onanist" the driver was - he was not impressed at the criticism, but I didn't need to intervene at all, nothing needed to be added to the independent opinion!



The point is I always find a loud clear "Watch out" (do not swear) gains the attention and often sympathy af bystanders in these positions. REmain polite and constructive

whome

It amazes me that car parks are so often designed around cars, without the realisation that there are at least as many pedestrian movements in a car park and they are really transition areas from motor to pedestrian and the design should reflect that.

When I am walking on my own, I try to ensure that I take priority in a way that I hope means people will be more aware of giving way to other pedestrians. e.g. Using the traffic lanes if needed and not starting to move out of the way the instant a car comes into view.

cee

Cunobelin wrote:

I got congratulated in Carlisle last week......

Going down Botchergate when some numpty pulls out of a junction in a 4x4 and stops across the road.

Full anchors and stop about 8 " from his door....

I had also shouted very loudly "WATCH OUT" as I did so.

About 15 people all looked round to see what the problem was, and two young lads in late teens complimented me on my braking... and then along with another gentleman stating loudly what an "Onanist" the driver was - he was not impressed at the criticism, but I didn't need to intervene at all, nothing needed to be added to the independent opinion!



The point is I always find a loud clear "Watch out" (do not swear) gains the attention and often sympathy af bystanders in these positions. REmain polite and constructive

Ah....it's always a beautiful thing when other folks start giving your nemesis a hard time!

At last, another ontopic post. Im bored of supermarket carparks....lets have more of the beat this stories please

il pirata

Have to agree with most of Ianment's points and would just like to add my request for extra wide parking bays close to the doors for other, equally deserving groups - the obese shopper; the PMT female with water retention; and those who favour the wearing of overly wide hats.