Beat this one!

Jonah2940

Commute home tonight, leisurely plodding along in the shared cycle/bus lane. A guy in a Merc pulls out of a garage forecourt, drives along the cycle/bus lane AGAINST traffic AND on his MOBILE PHONE. He approaches me and I let him know in no uncertain terms what I think of him. He stares at me blankly and forces me into the gutter whilst he goes past. I thought I'd seen it all!

Eat My Dust

Mr and Mrs EMD were walking along the pavement once when I heard something approaching from behind. Turned around and there's a guy in a BMW driving down the pavement towards us bypassing the traffic that was stationary on the road. I looked in amazement as he passed us, drove all the way to the front of the jam and then pulled back onto the road!!!!!!

jopari

I'll have a moan...
Yesterday a black Ferrari pulls into nearest disabled spot to M&S Food entrance. Parks at 45 degrees to cover two parking bays, then leaps out and runs round M&S (in decidedly shabby clothing) to get tea.
There seems to be a relationship between price of car, and cavalier attitude to rules and regs.

Not cycling related, but hey!

dav1

said it before but it seems relivant.

Last summeri had some woman in a 4x4 speeding down the wrong side of the road. As i was passing parked cars i had to ride on the wrong side to avoid her.

When I got back into the correct road position and looked behind me it turns out she wanted a parking space at the end of the row of cars. Clearly didnt want to wait for the traffic to clear so that she could cross the road safely to get into the space.

afctumike

jopari wrote:

I'll have a moan...
Yesterday a black Ferrari pulls into nearest disabled spot to M&S Food entrance. Parks at 45 degrees to cover two parking bays, then leaps out and runs round M&S (in decidedly shabby clothing) to get tea.
There seems to be a relationship between price of car, and cavalier attitude to rules and regs.

Not cycling related, but hey!

How did you manage not to lose control of your trolley as you passed the car?

madmix

How about this one...

spinning up my favourite hill this morning when I approach a small child about 2 or 3 standing by the road with Vicky Pollard mother and her other two illegitimate sprogs in tow. Kid runs out when I'm about 20 feet away and he hides behind their car. Cover the brakes and pull out slightly. When I draw closer he jumps out. Evasive action time...oh look the little darling has moved the same way as me...change direction...oh he's done it again. And so it continues until I am coming to a standstill with Damian still playing chicken. Vicky stops smoking and puts down her Stella....

"Oi watch my faaaaaacking kid you caaaannnnttt".......speechless. How about you stop your sprog dancing on a main road that luckily wasn't busy! Or the choice language outside your kids school...I had to ride off without saying a thing cos anything I had to say was far from constructive.

These morons annoy me. Euthanasia is the only cure!

Eat My Dust

jopari wrote:

I'll have a moan...
Yesterday a black Ferrari pulls into nearest disabled spot to M&S Food entrance. Parks at 45 degrees to cover two parking bays, then leaps out and runs round M&S (in decidedly shabby clothing) to get tea.
There seems to be a relationship between price of car, and cavalier attitude to rules and regs.

Not cycling related, but hey!

The angled parking is to stop people "dooring" their precious cars :evil:

Gambatte

Popped to Asdas with the wife and kids on Saturday. Being 9 months pregnant the wife needs the wide parent and toddler spaces as much as the kids to actually get out!

Anyway after 10 mins the kids are doing impresions of a couple of young hyperactive demons, so I go back to the car with them.

2 spaces away a guy drives into one of the spaces and walks in. No kiddie seats, no kids.

So when a couple of trolley collectors go by I give it "Pity you don't enforce these"

Now I remembered a few months ago Asdas said they were going to trial enforcing them in a small selection of stores.

According tho these 2 guys, April 11th its going national. NCPs been contracted to enforce parent and toddler spaces along with the disabled spaces. £60 parking tickets and pursuit through the courts if you refuse to pay... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

System_1

jopari wrote:

I'll have a moan...
Yesterday a black Ferrari pulls into nearest disabled spot to M&S Food entrance. Parks at 45 degrees to cover two parking bays, then leaps out and runs round M&S (in decidedly shabby clothing) to get tea.
There seems to be a relationship between price of car, and cavalier attitude to rules and regs.

Not cycling related, but hey!

I'd have scratched a disabled badge on his bonnet. Guarantee he'd never do it again.

iainment

Gambatte wrote:

Popped to Asdas with the wife and kids on Saturday. Being 9 months pregnant the wife needs the wide parent and toddler spaces as much as the kids to actually get out!

Anyway after 10 mins the kids are doing impresions of a couple of young hyperactive demons, so I go back to the car with them.

2 spaces away a guy drives into one of the spaces and walks in. No kiddie seats, no kids.

So when a couple of trolley collectors go by I give it "Pity you don't enforce these"

Now I remembered a few months ago Asdas said they were going to trial enforcing them in a small selection of stores.

According tho these 2 guys, April 11th its going national. NCPs been contracted to enforce parent and toddler spaces along with the disabled spaces. £60 parking tickets and pursuit through the courts if you refuse to pay... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't mind disabled spaces but why on earth do kids deserve extra consideration.

whome

How would they be able to enforce a parent&child space !?! Surely there is no law to support this. Or is because it is private ground so they can do as they like.

I see them purely as a courtesy - one that as iainment points out, not everyone feels is justified.

DavidTQ

iainment wrote:

Gambatte wrote:

Popped to Asdas with the wife and kids on Saturday. Being 9 months pregnant the wife needs the wide parent and toddler spaces as much as the kids to actually get out!

Anyway after 10 mins the kids are doing impresions of a couple of young hyperactive demons, so I go back to the car with them.

2 spaces away a guy drives into one of the spaces and walks in. No kiddie seats, no kids.

So when a couple of trolley collectors go by I give it "Pity you don't enforce these"

Now I remembered a few months ago Asdas said they were going to trial enforcing them in a small selection of stores.

According tho these 2 guys, April 11th its going national. NCPs been contracted to enforce parent and toddler spaces along with the disabled spaces. £60 parking tickets and pursuit through the courts if you refuse to pay... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't mind disabled spaces but why on earth do kids deserve extra consideration.

Because you have to open the doors wider in order to reach in and lift them out of their car seats trying to get them out of the car. Also if you have more than one they need space to wait in safe from the flow of traffic around whilst you get the next one out. Also they tend to put these spaces closer to the entrance to the supermarket as theres so many drivers half witless looking for parking spaces around that arent likely to take the care needed around kids, less time spent in an area of conflict for the most vulnerable of customers.

I have 4 kids taking them round a supermarket without a decent space to park in isnt going to happen. Get most of my shopping delivered over the internet since I went car free anyway now, but for those still driving, kiddy spaces are of huge value to those with young children. Trying to get kids out of a big family vehicle in a tiny space is an intricate form of origami and it only takes a small slip of a kids feet to ding a car next to you.

Gambatte

Personally i don't need them near the entrance. Seems a bit strange to be on a cycling forum and complaining about having to walk 50 yards. However you do need to be able to open the doors fully.

As said above its private land and would be pursued as a civil parking violation.

Its not as if they're disguised as something else, park in one without kids and you're just being ignorant, selfish and deserve to lose the £60

iainment

DavidTQ wrote:

iainment wrote:

Gambatte wrote:

Popped to Asdas with the wife and kids on Saturday. Being 9 months pregnant the wife needs the wide parent and toddler spaces as much as the kids to actually get out!

Anyway after 10 mins the kids are doing impresions of a couple of young hyperactive demons, so I go back to the car with them.

2 spaces away a guy drives into one of the spaces and walks in. No kiddie seats, no kids.

So when a couple of trolley collectors go by I give it "Pity you don't enforce these"

Now I remembered a few months ago Asdas said they were going to trial enforcing them in a small selection of stores.

According tho these 2 guys, April 11th its going national. NCPs been contracted to enforce parent and toddler spaces along with the disabled spaces. £60 parking tickets and pursuit through the courts if you refuse to pay... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't mind disabled spaces but why on earth do kids deserve extra consideration.

Because you have to open the doors wider in order to reach in and lift them out of their car seats trying to get them out of the car. Also if you have more than one they need space to wait in safe from the flow of traffic around whilst you get the next one out. Also they tend to put these spaces closer to the entrance to the supermarket as theres so many drivers half witless looking for parking spaces around that arent likely to take the care needed around kids, less time spent in an area of conflict for the most vulnerable of customers.

I have 4 kids taking them round a supermarket without a decent space to park in isnt going to happen. Get most of my shopping delivered over the internet since I went car free anyway now, but for those still driving, kiddy spaces are of huge value to those with young children. Trying to get kids out of a big family vehicle in a tiny space is an intricate form of origami and it only takes a small slip of a kids feet to ding a car next to you.

I had young children once and never needed this facility, if you have 4 children why on earth are you subjecting them to supermarket shopping en masse?

:shock:

redddraggon

iainment wrote:

I don't mind disabled spaces but why on earth do kids deserve extra consideration.

Same here.

My dad has a disabled badge. All sorts, that shouldn't, park in disabled spaces, so why should my dad struggle, when young people with kids get spaces right by the front door?

If all they need is a bit of extra space, they should do it at the other side of the car park. If they are fit enough to be making babies they can walk a few extra yards, if not they should have a disabled badge.

DavidTQ

redddraggon wrote:

iainment wrote:

I don't mind disabled spaces but why on earth do kids deserve extra consideration.

Same here.

My dad has a disabled badge. All sorts, that shouldn't, park in disabled spaces, so why should my dad struggle, when young people with kids get spaces right by the front door?

If all they need is a bit of extra space, they should do it at the other side of the car park. If they are fit enough to be making babies they can walk a few extra yards, if not they should have a disabled badge.

Remember those drivers that are too blind to spot a cycling when pulling out at a junction in front of you?

They are far more stressed in the supermarket car park looking for a space, Its easy not to look down at below car door level and see the kids holding that guys hands... The distance is not the problem its the lack of pedestrian facilities around the carpark, kids as young as two and three cant understand cars and are forced in supermarket car parks to share road space with the vehicles. It simply not a good idea. I would have no problems with parent and child spaces further from supermarket doors if there was a pavement to walk the kids along.

Imagine a primary school placed on a road with no pavement for 100 yards either side of its main gates on a busy road, wouldnt this generate a few complaints and rpess articles? Those supermarket car parks can be as busy as any section of main road and are choc full of confused and distracted drivers, and apparantly not a few selfish and short sighted drivers...

redddraggon

All the supermarkets I know have plenty proper paved, bollarded, paths to the front door. Seems safe enough to me.

I often don't use these paths, but they always seem to be there.

DavidTQ

iainment wrote:

DavidTQ wrote:

iainment wrote:

Gambatte wrote:

Popped to Asdas with the wife and kids on Saturday. Being 9 months pregnant the wife needs the wide parent and toddler spaces as much as the kids to actually get out!

Anyway after 10 mins the kids are doing impresions of a couple of young hyperactive demons, so I go back to the car with them.

2 spaces away a guy drives into one of the spaces and walks in. No kiddie seats, no kids.

So when a couple of trolley collectors go by I give it "Pity you don't enforce these"

Now I remembered a few months ago Asdas said they were going to trial enforcing them in a small selection of stores.

According tho these 2 guys, April 11th its going national. NCPs been contracted to enforce parent and toddler spaces along with the disabled spaces. £60 parking tickets and pursuit through the courts if you refuse to pay... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't mind disabled spaces but why on earth do kids deserve extra consideration.

Because you have to open the doors wider in order to reach in and lift them out of their car seats trying to get them out of the car. Also if you have more than one they need space to wait in safe from the flow of traffic around whilst you get the next one out. Also they tend to put these spaces closer to the entrance to the supermarket as theres so many drivers half witless looking for parking spaces around that arent likely to take the care needed around kids, less time spent in an area of conflict for the most vulnerable of customers.

I have 4 kids taking them round a supermarket without a decent space to park in isnt going to happen. Get most of my shopping delivered over the internet since I went car free anyway now, but for those still driving, kiddy spaces are of huge value to those with young children. Trying to get kids out of a big family vehicle in a tiny space is an intricate form of origami and it only takes a small slip of a kids feet to ding a car next to you.

I had young children once and never needed this facility, if you have 4 children why on earth are you subjecting them to supermarket shopping en masse?

:shock:

Was that a long time ago? I would hardly call supermarket shopping an ordeal (depending on people using the facilities provided in the manner intended) the supermarkets you see are run by clever people who provide facilities to make it all more doable for a family to go shopping together. They very nicely provide parent and child parking spaces making it easier to get kids in and out and to the doors with minimal risk from the motorists, they provide supermarket trolleys engineered to take two children at a time etc etc, they really go out of their way to welcome families with open arms. Some people are far too selfish to realise that these are provided to make life easier for those who have a disadvantage in the supermarket experience. Of course the supermarkets love to get families in the door, if someones made the effort to come through the door with an army of sproggs in tow they arent coming in to pick up a news paper and packet of fags...

DavidTQ

redddraggon wrote:

All the supermarkets I know have plenty proper paved, bollarded, paths to the front door. Seems safe enough to me.

I often don't use these paths, but they always seem to be there.

They havent got them round here unfortunately... I guess thats what comes from living in a backwater like Devon ...

Anyway the car park is provided as a courtesy for shoppers, If you decide to take away a courtesy offered to certain people just because you feel you want to put a child in the way of busy traffic so that you dont risk getting your door dinged Ibelieve you fully deserve a £60 fine. The facilities are offered with certain conditions attached, if you dont feel the terms are reasonable dont use them.

Gambatte

DavidTQ wrote:

Anyway the car park is provided as a courtesy for shoppers, If you decide to take away a courtesy offered to certain people just because you feel you want to put a child in the way of busy traffic so that you dont risk getting your door dinged Ibelieve you fully deserve a £60 fine. The facilities are offered with certain conditions attached, if you dont feel the terms are reasonable dont use them.

Seems strange how we sit on here complaining about the lack of courtesy and understanding shown to cyclists by car drivers. Then as soon as we mention this a proportion of our cycling car drivers show a lack of courtesy and consideration.... :?:

iainment

Gambatte wrote:

DavidTQ wrote:

Anyway the car park is provided as a courtesy for shoppers, If you decide to take away a courtesy offered to certain people just because you feel you want to put a child in the way of busy traffic so that you dont risk getting your door dinged Ibelieve you fully deserve a £60 fine. The facilities are offered with certain conditions attached, if you dont feel the terms are reasonable dont use them.

Seems strange how we sit on here complaining about the lack of courtesy and understanding shown to cyclists by car drivers. Then as soon as we mention this a proportion of our cycling car drivers show a lack of courtesy and consideration.... :?:

it's nothing to do with courtesy and consideration. it's a facility offered that is not necessary, except to ingratiate supermarkets with parents before ripping them off.

DavidTQ

iainment wrote:

Gambatte wrote:

DavidTQ wrote:

Anyway the car park is provided as a courtesy for shoppers, If you decide to take away a courtesy offered to certain people just because you feel you want to put a child in the way of busy traffic so that you dont risk getting your door dinged Ibelieve you fully deserve a £60 fine. The facilities are offered with certain conditions attached, if you dont feel the terms are reasonable dont use them.

Seems strange how we sit on here complaining about the lack of courtesy and understanding shown to cyclists by car drivers. Then as soon as we mention this a proportion of our cycling car drivers show a lack of courtesy and consideration.... :?:

it's nothing to do with courtesy and consideration. it's a facility offered that is not necessary, except to engratiate supermarkets with parents before ripping them off.

This has everything to do with courtesy and consideration by parking in a space meant to make life easier for parents shopping (who have a harder time using normal facilities than single \ solo shoppers) you make life harder for other people with no good reason, you abuse facilities for your own gratification at the expense of others for whom those facilities are intended.

Theres many facilities offered that arent "necesary" in this world including this forum. The internet, Electricity, people managed to live before the bicycle was invented as well, thats no excuse of course to deprive people of all these.

A car park at a supermarket is not a necesity why do you use it? Because it makes life a little easier...

Kids and their legally required car seats make using a normal space very difficult , giving them a wider space negates some of that difficulty allowing them access on a par with the single \ solo shoppers.

Trying to go to the supermarket with a car full of kids using a standard space is every bit as much difficult but doable as it is for disabled badge holders who are still able to drive and walk round the shop but need that bit more space to stop getting out of the car in the first place being a form of unhealthy acrobatics. Attempting to lean into a car over a seat space over the edge of the outside of the kid seat whilst trying to unstrap the centre child then lift them across the gap whilst trying to balance is simply a night mare, allowing a door to pen fully allows you to do this without trying ridiculous leaning and balancing acts. Of course if we didnt have rear seat belts and kiddy seats none of this would be necesary at all..

Clever Pun

madmix wrote:

How about this one...

spinning up my favourite hill this morning when I approach a small child about 2 or 3 standing by the road with Vicky Pollard mother and her other two illegitimate sprogs in tow. Kid runs out when I'm about 20 feet away and he hides behind their car. Cover the brakes and pull out slightly. When I draw closer he jumps out. Evasive action time...oh look the little darling has moved the same way as me...change direction...oh he's done it again. And so it continues until I am coming to a standstill with Damian still playing chicken. Vicky stops smoking and puts down her Stella....

"Oi watch my faaaaaacking kid you caaaannnnttt".......speechless. How about you stop your sprog dancing on a main road that luckily wasn't busy! Or the choice language outside your kids school...I had to ride off without saying a thing cos anything I had to say was far from constructive.

These morons annoy me. Euthanasia is the only cure!

something not disimilar happened to me once with 2 kids fecking around behind the mother, I shouted at them to get out of the fu<king road (aggressive sure, uncouth certainly) but the mother turns round and says why's he shouting at you two get get over here now is a less than flattering accent...

in summary strike first and let the mother know her kids 'a bit slow'

iainment

DavidTQ wrote:

iainment wrote:

Gambatte wrote:

DavidTQ wrote:

Anyway the car park is provided as a courtesy for shoppers, If you decide to take away a courtesy offered to certain people just because you feel you want to put a child in the way of busy traffic so that you dont risk getting your door dinged Ibelieve you fully deserve a £60 fine. The facilities are offered with certain conditions attached, if you dont feel the terms are reasonable dont use them.

Seems strange how we sit on here complaining about the lack of courtesy and understanding shown to cyclists by car drivers. Then as soon as we mention this a proportion of our cycling car drivers show a lack of courtesy and consideration.... :?:

it's nothing to do with courtesy and consideration. it's a facility offered that is not necessary, except to engratiate supermarkets with parents before ripping them off.

This has everything to do with courtesy and consideration by parking in a space meant to make life easier for parents shopping (who have a harder time using normal facilities than single \ solo shoppers) you make life harder for other people with no good reason, you abuse facilities for your own gratification at the expense of others for whom those facilities are intended.
Theres many facilities offered that arent "necesary" in this world including this forum. The internet, Electricity, people managed to live before the bicycle was invented as well, thats no excuse of course to deprive people of all these.

A car park at a supermarket is not a necesity why do you use it? Because it makes life a little easier...

Kids and their legally required car seats make using a normal space very difficult , giving them a wider space negates some of that difficulty allowing them access on a par with the single \ solo shoppers.

Trying to go to the supermarket with a car full of kids using a standard space is every bit as much difficult but doable as it is for disabled badge holders who are still able to drive and walk round the shop but need that bit more space to stop getting out of the car in the first place being a form of unhealthy acrobatics. Attempting to lean into a car over a seat space over the edge of the outside of the kid seat whilst trying to unstrap the centre child then lift them across the gap whilst trying to balance is simply a night mare, allowing a door to pen fully allows you to do this without trying ridiculous leaning and balancing acts. Of course if we didnt have rear seat belts and kiddy seats none of this would be necesary at all..

I don't, I never use them, however I do question their need to be provided.
Also you have a choice, shop on your own, disabled people have no choice.

:P

DavidTQ

Im glad to hear that you dont use them, however your reasoning for them not being needed seems "unreasonable" to me. I believe its probably based on a lack of experience of what its like trying to heft kids out of car seats in normal spaces in a busy car park. Again I say that if car seats and rear belts were not a legal requirements getting kids in and out of the car in a normal space would not be much hassle. Its the design of the seats, they are bucket seats with high sides and many have straps that you struggle to manouvre arms in and out of etc,

I have a choice but disabled people do as well, in fact disabled people can take the same option as I do now to ignore the queues and car parks and get their shopping delivered to their doorstep .

Not all parents using those spaces are two parent families, not all parents using those spaces have both parents available at the time they have to do their shopping for one reason or another. These people have as many options as disabled people and although you refuse to believe it just as much physical hardship getting kids out of kiddy seats in small spaces as people well enough to walk round sainsburies have getting out of a normal sized space. The contorting necesary to manouvre kids out of kiddy seats in small places is plenty enough to do a an injury to your back. Not everyone has a choice not to take their kids with them, not every disabled person "HAS" to use the supermarket or be there in person...

I dont really like your suggestion that its somehow a wickedly aviricous to take your family to the supermarket with you as if supermarkets should be restricted to one person per trolley? My wife didnt drive I didnt shop so well it took our combined efforts to make a weeks shopping trip work in one trip.

Its a lot like car drivers disliking cyclists because we're "slower than them" and because us cycling is "unecesary" None of us "have" to cycle its a choice all of us make because we want to, we could all use public transport walk or drive. Yet we choose to cycle despite the fact that sometimes us doing so may slow up other road users... Heck they even dare to section off parts of that tarmac specifically to allow us to take part in that leisure activity with our toys despite the fact that we dont pay road tax...

iainment

DavidTQ wrote:

Im glad to hear that you dont use them, however your reasoning for them not being needed seems "unreasonable" to me. I believe its probably based on a lack of experience of what its like trying to heft kids out of car seats in normal spaces in a busy car park. Again I say that if car seats and rear belts were not a legal requirements getting kids in and out of the car in a normal space would not be much hassle. Its the design of the seats, they are bucket seats with high sides and many have straps that you struggle to manouvre arms in and out of etc,

I have a choice but disabled people do as well, in fact disabled people can take the same option as I do now to ignore the queues and car parks and get their shopping delivered to their doorstep .

Not all parents using those spaces are two parent families, not all parents using those spaces have both parents available at the time they have to do their shopping for one reason or another. These people have as many options as disabled people and although you refuse to believe it just as much physical hardship getting kids out of kiddy seats in small spaces as people well enough to walk round sainsburies have getting out of a normal sized space. The contorting necesary to manouvre kids out of kiddy seats in small places is plenty enough to do a an injury to your back. Not everyone has a choice not to take their kids with them, not every disabled person "HAS" to use the supermarket or be there in person...

I dont really like your suggestion that its somehow a wickedly aviricous to take your family to the supermarket with you as if supermarkets should be restricted to one person per trolley? My wife didnt drive I didnt shop so well it took our combined efforts to make a weeks shopping trip work in one trip.

Its a lot like car drivers disliking cyclists because we're "slower than them" and because us cycling is "unecesary" None of us "have" to cycle its a choice all of us make because we want to, we could all use public transport walk or drive. Yet we choose to cycle despite the fact that sometimes us doing so may slow up other road users... Heck they even dare to section off parts of that tarmac specifically to allow us to take part in that leisure activity with our toys despite the fact that we dont pay road tax...

I have shopped with young children on my own and I really don't understand why it is so hard for you, but hey ho...

I know the supermarkets won't take these spaces away but I really don't see the need.
However I do suggest you actually read what I write and comment on that without putting words into my mouth. I don't recall any comments about "wickedness"

or "avariciousness" referring to shoppers. I did say that supermarkets rip people off though.

DavidTQ

iainment wrote:

DavidTQ wrote:

Im glad to hear that you dont use them, however your reasoning for them not being needed seems "unreasonable" to me. I believe its probably based on a lack of experience of what its like trying to heft kids out of car seats in normal spaces in a busy car park. Again I say that if car seats and rear belts were not a legal requirements getting kids in and out of the car in a normal space would not be much hassle. Its the design of the seats, they are bucket seats with high sides and many have straps that you struggle to manouvre arms in and out of etc,

I have a choice but disabled people do as well, in fact disabled people can take the same option as I do now to ignore the queues and car parks and get their shopping delivered to their doorstep .

Not all parents using those spaces are two parent families, not all parents using those spaces have both parents available at the time they have to do their shopping for one reason or another. These people have as many options as disabled people and although you refuse to believe it just as much physical hardship getting kids out of kiddy seats in small spaces as people well enough to walk round sainsburies have getting out of a normal sized space. The contorting necesary to manouvre kids out of kiddy seats in small places is plenty enough to do a an injury to your back. Not everyone has a choice not to take their kids with them, not every disabled person "HAS" to use the supermarket or be there in person...

I dont really like your suggestion that its somehow a wickedly aviricous to take your family to the supermarket with you as if supermarkets should be restricted to one person per trolley? My wife didnt drive I didnt shop so well it took our combined efforts to make a weeks shopping trip work in one trip.

Its a lot like car drivers disliking cyclists because we're "slower than them" and because us cycling is "unecesary" None of us "have" to cycle its a choice all of us make because we want to, we could all use public transport walk or drive. Yet we choose to cycle despite the fact that sometimes us doing so may slow up other road users... Heck they even dare to section off parts of that tarmac specifically to allow us to take part in that leisure activity with our toys despite the fact that we dont pay road tax...

I have shopped with young children on my own and I really don't understand why it is so hard for you, but hey ho...

I know the supermarkets won't take these spaces away but I really don't see the need.
However I do suggest you actually read what I write and comment on that without putting words into my mouth. I don't recall any comments about "wickedness"

or "avariciousness" referring to shoppers. I did say that supermarkets rip people off though.

let me get this straight youve went to a supermarket with multiple young children parked in a "normal" parking space and hauled the kids out of kiddy seats and not found it a huge hassle? Well done. how flexible is your back? I know for myself my back is a "little" on the weak side after a smash on a rally a good few years ago but I dont believe that even a normal back can make it easy in an average supermarket carpark to get kids out of seats in a normal carparking bay.

You seem to be suggesting that its a "greedy" thing to take a family to the supermarket, instead of shopping solo suggesting its "unnecesary" and wastefull? hence "wickedness and avariciousness"

having shopped solo, shopped using normal spaces with 4 kids under the age of 5 and shopped with 4 kids under the age of 5 using parent and child spaces and having used a different store because no parent and child spaces were available I can see that they are both usefull to the parents and worthwhile for the supermarkets...

iainment

DavidTQ wrote:

iainment wrote:

DavidTQ wrote:

Im glad to hear that you dont use them, however your reasoning for them not being needed seems "unreasonable" to me. I believe its probably based on a lack of experience of what its like trying to heft kids out of car seats in normal spaces in a busy car park. Again I say that if car seats and rear belts were not a legal requirements getting kids in and out of the car in a normal space would not be much hassle. Its the design of the seats, they are bucket seats with high sides and many have straps that you struggle to manouvre arms in and out of etc,

I have a choice but disabled people do as well, in fact disabled people can take the same option as I do now to ignore the queues and car parks and get their shopping delivered to their doorstep .

Not all parents using those spaces are two parent families, not all parents using those spaces have both parents available at the time they have to do their shopping for one reason or another. These people have as many options as disabled people and although you refuse to believe it just as much physical hardship getting kids out of kiddy seats in small spaces as people well enough to walk round sainsburies have getting out of a normal sized space. The contorting necesary to manouvre kids out of kiddy seats in small places is plenty enough to do a an injury to your back. Not everyone has a choice not to take their kids with them, not every disabled person "HAS" to use the supermarket or be there in person...

I dont really like your suggestion that its somehow a wickedly aviricous to take your family to the supermarket with you as if supermarkets should be restricted to one person per trolley? My wife didnt drive I didnt shop so well it took our combined efforts to make a weeks shopping trip work in one trip.

Its a lot like car drivers disliking cyclists because we're "slower than them" and because us cycling is "unecesary" None of us "have" to cycle its a choice all of us make because we want to, we could all use public transport walk or drive. Yet we choose to cycle despite the fact that sometimes us doing so may slow up other road users... Heck they even dare to section off parts of that tarmac specifically to allow us to take part in that leisure activity with our toys despite the fact that we dont pay road tax...

I have shopped with young children on my own and I really don't understand why it is so hard for you, but hey ho...

I know the supermarkets won't take these spaces away but I really don't see the need.
However I do suggest you actually read what I write and comment on that without putting words into my mouth. I don't recall any comments about "wickedness"

or "avariciousness" referring to shoppers. I did say that supermarkets rip people off though.

let me get this straight youve went to a supermarket with multiple young children parked in a "normal" parking space and hauled the kids out of kiddy seats and not found it a huge hassle? Well done. how flexible is your back? I know for myself my back is a "little" on the weak side after a smash on a rally a good few years ago but I dont believe that even a normal back can make it easy in an average supermarket carpark to get kids out of seats in a normal carparking bay.

You seem to be suggesting that its a "greedy" thing to take a family to the supermarket, instead of shopping solo suggesting its "unnecesary" and wastefull? hence "wickedness and avariciousness"

having shopped solo, shopped using normal spaces with 4 kids under the age of 5 and shopped with 4 kids under the age of 5 using parent and child spaces and having used a different store because no parent and child spaces were available I can see that they are both usefull to the parents and worthwhile for the supermarkets...

Did say unnecessary, didn't say wasteful.
I must say that if you choose to have 4 children you should expect it to be a tad inconvenient to take them in and out of your car and not whinge about it.

BentMikey

I take it Iainment doesn't have children. Is that evolution in action? :twisted:

iainment

BentMikey wrote:

I take it Iainment doesn't have children. Is that evolution in action? :twisted:

No I have children. Assume nothing my friend.

8)

cupofteacp

I've got three children aged 5, 3 and 1

I regularly use the local Waitrose, which is just down the street (only 800 yards). I could and do walk to it, unfortunately my 3 and 1 year old won't, and whilst I could push the 1 year old and carry the 3 year old I wouldn’t be able to carry any shopping or keep control of my 5 year old.

I could leave them at home, but leaving them unattended is illegal.

The Waitose car park has no “pavements” at all and loading a buggy with a 1 year old in the road and the same time and controlling two small children can be exciting. The child spaces are the only option.

We do 95% of our shopping over the Internet, however there are always occasions when something is missed or forgotten.

The law currently covers disabled parking but not family spots.

Unlike OAP’s we try to avoid the supermarkets at the weekends!