What new frame
skinnymutha
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How much would a brand new Cannondale CAAD9 54cm frame be worth? I'm hoping I'll get £500+ for the CAAD 9 frame and can put up to £250 towards a new carbon frame as I'm bored with aluminium.
I was looking at an '07 Wilier Mortirolo, 07' Pinnacle team but don't know what else is on the market i.e Specialized, Trek , Ambrosio etc. I want it for racing and sportives. So want it to be fairly aggressive.
Has anyone got suggestions or opinions on the Wilier or Pinnacle.
Also I'm 5' 10" so in the would I be a large (55cm) in Wilier sizing?
I was looking at an '07 Wilier Mortirolo, 07' Pinnacle team but don't know what else is on the market i.e Specialized, Trek , Ambrosio etc. I want it for racing and sportives. So want it to be fairly aggressive.
Has anyone got suggestions or opinions on the Wilier or Pinnacle.
Also I'm 5' 10" so in the would I be a large (55cm) in Wilier sizing?
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The frame is brand new (from my warranty claim).
What are the Ribbles frames like? I know they're light but are they still stiff and comfortable?0 -
skinnymutha wrote:The frame is brand new (from my warranty claim).
What are the Ribbles frames like? I know they're light but are they still stiff and comfortable?
Which Ribble frames?0 -
The Nero Corsa and the Scuro.0
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There aren't that many frames around the £750 mark in Carbon... well there probably are but I just haven't seen them.
Might also want to look at Look 555, Giant TCR Comp... not full carbon but I've seen De Rosa Merak frames for 800 can't remember where though. I think the Trek carbon frames come in at like 900 and I things Like the Tarmac and Roubaix over 1K mark, could be wrong.
You should probably try to get a ride on whatever you choose to go for. 55cm on a compact will would be fine, but might be better on a 54/53 depending on how there sizing goes. I'm 5'11" and ride a 56cm which is really a little too big I think but still comfy.0 -
Spoil yourself!
Get a De Rosa Team. Looks are to die for
Might not be carbon but is a better frame than ANY other bike at £1600 in Veloce0 -
FORUM EXPERT wrote:Spoil yourself!
Get a De Rosa Team. Looks are to die for
Might not be carbon but is a better frame than ANY other bike at £1600 in Veloce
You're right, it LOOKS beautiful, but I've no idea how it rides, or why an all-alu frame costs more than other brands' offerings in carbon...
have you ridden one? perhaps you can enlighten me.
I am actually looking at getting one as my first serious road bike - I am also looking at the Colnago Arte, which comes with Ultegra and Carbon stays/fork. I'd love to know if anyone has compared these two... I hope to make time to test-ride them both soon.0 -
gwt1974 wrote:FORUM EXPERT wrote:Spoil yourself!
Get a De Rosa Team. Looks are to die for
Might not be carbon but is a better frame than ANY other bike at £1600 in Veloce
You're right, it LOOKS beautiful, but I've no idea how it rides, or why an all-alu frame costs more than other brands' offerings in carbon...
have you ridden one? perhaps you can enlighten me.
I am actually looking at getting one as my first serious road bike - I am also looking at the Colnago Arte, which comes with Ultegra and Carbon stays/fork. I'd love to know if anyone has compared these two... I hope to make time to test-ride them both soon.
In a simple word the quality is the reason for the cost.
Rides very nicely. Took one for a spin last week would happily shell out for one
£1699 is for a whole DE Rosa Bike not just the frame.
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What exactly do you mean by "quality"? How does it differ from any other alu frame exactly? £1700 for a Veloce equipped bike still implies more money on the frame than plenty of carbon ones cost.
True - the pedalforce ones are a lot less than that - you probably could just about afford one of those by adding £250 to what you'll get for the CAAD9mr-ed wrote:There aren't that many frames around the £750 mark in Carbon... well there probably are but I just haven't seen them.
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How about this:
http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/id26659.html
I ride a Centaur equipped Kharma - fantastic ride, and beats many bikes in the looks department (IMO). When it comes to replacement time, I'll be looking at Kuota again.Carlsberg don't make cycle clothing, but if they did it would probably still not be as good as Assos0 -
maybe give terry dolan a look over.. Their frames ooze quality and are well worth a look. The Ribble frames are also very nice as I have a nero corsa myself and I love riding it
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The horror stories about De Rosa after sales support when things (seemingly frequently with them) go wrong are well documented here on the forum. I wouldn't touch one with a bargepole.
Cannondale aluminium frames are superb - all the limitations of aluminium, sure, but, hey, we all managed on them for years. I had a CAAD5 on a previous bike and it was superbly lively and stiff - an incredibly involving and exciting ride and it was so responsive, you just wanted to ride it every day.
I've followed the vagaries of fashion to a decent carbon frame now (Giant TCR) which I just about prefer, but it has a different set of compromises. On days I'm really up for a blast I miss the live wire feel of the Cannondale.
I suppose I'm trying to say try before you buy - upgradeitis is an addictive condition but you may decide you don't have to succumb to it this time round.
Fitness makes more difference to riding enjoyment than kit, so maybe force yourself to ride it over the summer and challenge yourself in different ways: a longer sportive than you've ever done, a long audax or a 200 mile weekend tour staying in a pub.
Whatever you end up doing, enjoy!0 -
wiggle have the Willier Mortirolo frame and fork set for £750 at the moment which seems a sweet deal..0
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I wouldn't touch a De Rosa either, have a good look around cos there is soo much choice now.0
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Is this the same as the Ribble?
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=22022
The "plug in" rear end is a bit ugly.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Imag ... 2022-4.jpg
£599 - Don't know how that compares to elsewhere.0 -
michaelm wrote:Is this the same as the Ribble?
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=22022
The "plug in" rear end is a bit ugly.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Imag ... 2022-4.jpg
£599 - Don't know how that compares to elsewhere.
I got that frame for £450 from CRC.
"plug in" rear end? You can't see it when the bike is built up.0 -
he;s right - you can't see it - i live near ribble and have seen loads of these frames built up - they make into a sweet looking frame.
fork isn't the lightest i believe, but perhaps could be changed..0 -
Cheap, light strong
You can only have 2
You pick
Ps a good ali frame WILL outperform a cheap carbon frame every time.
Aftersales is with the dealer not the brand I have never had a problem with a De Rosa and quality needs to be seen.
Yes It is dearer than a lot of carbon bikes but that is what quality costs.
A time VXRS costs £2600 a Nero Corsa £500 Are you saying the Deda is as good?0 -
Another one has been taken in by the great marketing machine!
That great KB quote only applies until the price is bumped up by marketing costs, as is the case with most expensive frames. Sure a VXRS is better than a Nero Corsa, but £2100 better? Meanwhile a Nero Corsa is just as good or better than plenty of £1000 frames.
I see you've ignored my question about what you mean by quality, so now what do you mean by "outperform"? A top level alu frame certainly isn't stiffer or lighter than a cheap carbon one, so what magical quality apart from brand snobbery are you attributing to them?0 -
Ride them and you will see.
A GOOD Ali frame WILL outperforma cheap carbon.
Some Pro's are STILL using Ali frames.
PS The KB quote comes from the Aerospace industry. They may know a thing or 2 about Carbon Fibre0 -
You've still not told us what property you think is better on an expensive alu frame compared to a cheap carbon frame. You simply keep repeating the word "outperform" with no supporting evidence. I'm really beginning to think your forum name is a total misnomer.
Which pros are still on alu?
Yes, I know KB didn't coin it originally, and indeed in the aerospace industry where there isn't the marketing and hype in the same way it is much more accurate. I'm not sure why anybody in tthat industry should know how much a cf bike frame should cost though, given the totally different specs and requirements - I do know about that sort of thing, given I work in a related industry, and believe me, if we made a cf bike frame it would be nearer £5k!0 -
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Interesting - I wonder if that is out of choice, or just what they were given.redddraggon wrote:aracer wrote:Which pros are still on alu?
Some Skil Shimano Pros are.
Of course we all know that what the pros ride is no proof of the quality of a bike - after all Treks have won lots of TdF :twisted:0 -
don't rise to him - forum idiot would be a better title - all his posts seem designed to be inflammatory.
on weight mind I guess he could have a point - ribble claim a sub 1kg weight on their scandium alu frames for £300 - take a fairly pricey carbon frame to break the kilo marker.
i wouldn't fancy riding it right enough - i'd imagine it'll be pretty harsh ride quality - i'll stick with my just-over-a-kilo S-Works roubaix thanks very much..0 -
gkerr4 wrote:on weight mind I guess he could have a point - ribble claim a sub 1kg weight on their scandium alu frames for £300 - take a fairly pricey carbon frame to break the kilo marker.
I read when C+ tested one a few years back that the tubes were also that tin that they could easily be deflected between finger and thumb, so wouldn't expect it to last as long as carbon.Carlsberg don't make cycle clothing, but if they did it would probably still not be as good as Assos0 -
I think you'll find pros still riding aluminium alloy frames for two reasons: Firstly, the 'stock' team-supplied frame isn't the right geometry and so for custom they have to have aluminium alloy. Secondly, some pros like their bikes to be 'stiff' and unyielding - which makes aluminium alloy ideal. Some of the higher grades of aluminium alloys like 6061 / Scandium are exceedingly thin-walled and require a special heat treatment - I would not class them as durable. There have always been questions about the fatigue-life limits of these frames, which are often 'lifed' for 2 years.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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aracer wrote:
You're right - almost £100 more expensive than that!gkerr4 wrote:on weight mind I guess he could have a point - ribble claim a sub 1kg weight on their scandium alu frames for £300 - take a fairly pricey carbon frame to break the kilo marker.
i can't think of a £400 carbon frame that gets under a kilo - which one are you thinking of?0 -
The Scandium Ribbles are nice, but there is no way they are under 1kg. Still great value though.0
