How can I train myself to make it hurt?
vermooten
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Hi,
Pain hurts, but sometimes during training you have to go into the pain zone to get benefit.
I need to work at this, has anyone got any techniques that might help me?
Cheers,
Andy
Pain hurts, but sometimes during training you have to go into the pain zone to get benefit.
I need to work at this, has anyone got any techniques that might help me?
Cheers,
Andy
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Train with others, race, do some steep hills against the clock.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
Yeah definately do some steep hills, your calves with burn like buggery.0
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most people find it hard to push themselves when training alone.
The best way is to go out with some riders better than you.
It's amazing what levels of pain you can achieve when you really feel you have to.0 -
Training races.
Does your club have a weekly training session on a closed circuit or a freewheel session on a outdoor velodrome ?
Failing that, just go out for a ride with people who are quicker than you.0 -
It's definitely true that I can go harder and hurtier than when alone... but my question is really about how to allow myself more pain while training alone. What do you tell yourself when you're on the turbo and you just want it to stop?0
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vermooten wrote:It's definitely true that I can go harder and hurtier than when alone... but my question is really about how to allow myself more pain while training alone. What do you tell yourself when you're on the turbo and you just want it to stop?
Print this out and stick it somewhere you can see it when you're turbo training.
Firstly, you must have a goal or target to aim for.
Once you have this in mind, give it a good level of priority. There should be a lot at stake on whether you reach the target, such that it is imperative that you reach the target, and that every trainng session is vital for you to achieve the target.
When you're in that pain, tell yourself that it is not going to last forever, and that you will get through it, but you must endure it to reach the target.
Think positive.0 -
vermooten wrote:It's definitely true that I can go harder and hurtier than when alone... but my question is really about how to allow myself more pain while training alone. What do you tell yourself when you're on the turbo and you just want it to stop?[/quote]
Personally I would stop.
The mind or the body or both is telling you to stop for a reason. Whatever it is there is little point on pushing it past that stage.
On the other hand on another day the pain and the effort may be the same; maybe even worse than before but this time your mind and your body are trained and better prepared to keep going.
Keeping your motivation is more important than treating a training session like a race itself as though your life depended on it when all you want to do is stop because you've had enough There's always tomorrow and the day after. Build up your fitness sensibly and you will benefit in the long term.0 -
i just think about how easy spinning is going to feel when the interval is over and convince myself that the effort will make me faster. Also the thought of getting swept up by the broom wagon at the etape is pretty stong motivation, as is the thought of my mate, who's a lot heavier than me (and only really been cycling seriously for about 6 months), dropping me on the climbs - the shame :oops:pm0
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Good route planning is an idea that helps me.
I can't work hard to save my life on a trainer. But I have local routes with several hills that act as natural intervals. Great routes help. I also agree with the advice to ride with others (stronger others).
Here's maybe a new idea. race yourself.
Using my Garmin Edge 305 I can race myself (old rides I have done) using the virtual partner. I can't tell you how often I have killed myself making sure I don't lose to that guy me. Surprisingly effective.
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I don't equate training hard with pain. Even when it's all out lactate tolerance work at the track and I want to hurl, or hanging on for grim death in a really hard race, it's still not "painful".
I equate pain to something being wrong and a sign of danger.
Pain is what happens when you hit the deck.
Pain is what happens when you are ill.
(Unless you are referring to psychological pain).
It sounds more like it's a motivation issue - which others have alluded to and highlighted methods to increase motivation to train hard.0 -
Here's my train of thought when suffering :
1. think of someone u don't like, visualise there face this works for me.
2.Music is a great motivator i listen to Linkin Park 'Minutes to Midnight' what i would call an aggresive album which is what u need when the lactic is flowing.
A saying a coach quoted 'Pain is temporary quitting is forever' at the end of the day it depends what u want out of the sport, we all suffer it's just a case of training the body above your lactic threshold occasionly to build up some sort of tolerence to dead legs.Better to do it in training than get spat out the back in a road race.
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If oyu cant stay motivated on the turbo they change your training approach: stop using a turbo when riding outdoors might give you a harder workout. I cant use a trubo for more than 30 minutes doing random intervals as it bores the crap out of me, and amount of visualisation works; however, i can go much muhc harder physically on my own outdoors for a similar "mental" effort. Riding and training on the track helps for the real intensive speed stuff.0
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Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:I don't equate training hard with pain. Even when it's all out lactate tolerance work at the track and I want to hurl, or hanging on for grim death in a really hard race, it's still not "painful".
I equate pain to something being wrong and a sign of danger.
Pain is what happens when you hit the deck.
Pain is what happens when you are ill.
(Unless you are referring to psychological pain).
It sounds more like it's a motivation issue - which others have alluded to and highlighted methods to increase motivation to train hard.
Totally agree.
If we are talking about pain in the context of training then the sensation is nothing like that experienced through an injury, illness or disease. If it was then no one would be able to do it voluntarily for very long at all. The body can disregard pain re the fight or flight situation when facing mortal danger but then the nerve receptors are switched off so you aren't feeling the pain at the time.
It is more the ability to suffer the sensation of discomfort you get at the business end of the exercise when you are extending your limitations and that is something you learn from the doing of it. The more you do the more you learn how to; which is as much as part of the training as is the physical element re the improving of your CV and muscular endurance.
If you try and push yourself you may not be able to keep it going for as much as you want to at first but if you persevere then you will eventually. IOW don't concern yourself too much but congratulate yourself for starting on the right road.0 -
Yeah I agree. "Pain" is not the right word but I think everyone's got what I mean. As Alex said - I'm paraphrasing - it's pushing oneself towards puking.0
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I suppose this is why I don't particularly like the phrase "no pain, no gain". Most athletes get the idea that it refers to the sensations that come with hard training/racing (e.g. "man, that hurt today" or "you really dished out the pain today") but you do get some that will actually hurt or injure themselves when they really should have stopped, eased back or not ridden at all.vermooten wrote:Yeah I agree. "Pain" is not the right word but I think everyone's got what I mean. As Alex said - I'm paraphrasing - it's pushing oneself towards puking.
I don't like ambiguity with my athletes so when I read or hear the word pain in their feedback - I need to make sure of what they really mean.0 -
So getting back to what you were really talking about....
Some higher intensity workouts (tempo and upwards) can take time to adapt to if a rider is relatively new to them or has been away from cycling for a while.
Level of fitness also determines how much of this work you can do as well.
So if a session is too "painful" to complete either in that one instance or over the course of a training block, then consider dropping the intensity slightly, reducing the duration of interval or number of intervals, so that you can complete them. Over time (weeks, months, years) you will find the ability to increase the intensity, duration and number of these higher intensity efforts.0 -
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I train to music and that helps me push through when the going gets tough.Martin S. Newbury RC0
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Pain I can do, it's not being able to breathe any more that finishes me off!I wish I was any place but the someplace I\'m in0
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You could have someone flog you while on your trainer. That would hurt.
Dennis Noward0
