Anything Better Than Ksyrium???
i have decided to not go for deep sections after all, and am keen for the Ksyrium wheelset!
but, is there anyhting better for the money?
ie, stiffer, lighter, stronger?
thanks
but, is there anyhting better for the money?
ie, stiffer, lighter, stronger?
thanks
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If You Can't Cut It With The Big Dogs, Then Don't Pi$$ Up The Tall Trees!
If You Can't Cut It With The Big Dogs, Then Don't Pi$$ Up The Tall Trees!
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depends what you want out of a wheel ..
K's are jack of all trade & master of none
not partic stiff/light or aero
rims & spokes are expensive to replace etc...
if it has to be factory built wheels ...a nice pair of EASTON or the real £vfm wheel XERO ( teh new ones with bladed spokes )
as i have posted before i had a new pair wheels in 07 (price was irrelevant)
i went for OPEN PRO ceramic/TUNE hubs/CX ray spokes/DA cassette/GP4000s tyres ...
they are as light as a pair of ksyriums & can be repaired easily ...& braking in wet with ceramics & a swisstop pads is fantastic..
its all about the build quality ..a good builder can point you in right direction & build them for you / your weight / riding style/intended use etc..0 -
I would say their robustness is the K's main virtue, followed by quite nice handling and fairly quick spin-up. The hubs are also very well sealed. They are dependable reasonably light hoops, but as SDP says, they don't cover all bases.
there are better. Shamals are considerably better if you want to go factory built. Yes, I've had both!0 -
i am not knocking K's but they are not a panacea...
just because a lot of bikes spec them doesnt mean there isnt any alterantive..
they are a great wheel for crits as they accelerate well ..reasonably tough & look nice..
if i only had ONE pair of wheels & i was racing on them i would have a pair of them or the bladed XERO's if not a pair of handbuilt open pro's
one of lads in our team ( 1st cat ) just had new bike was assured to have XEROS for all round use((RR circuit & occassional TTT )...he used them in PERFS RR on sunady & he said they were superb...0 -
ive heard a few stories though of the Kysrium spokes snapping??? im a little worried as i have snapped three rear aksium wheels!!!
does anyone have a link for the XEROS?_______________________________________________________________________________________
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I have the Kyserium Sl's on my best bike, way better than anything I've ever ridden before response wise.
Have given them some hammer as well, completed the Melton Cicle Classic last summer which includes off road sections, which was nice, all with no noticiable effects, still as true as the day they were new
Do think they look the part though! 8)You can lead an elephant to water but a pencil must be lead0 -
How about either Campag Eurus or Neutron Ultra.'Hello to Jason Isaacs'0
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I've been also considering Neutron Ultra, but this is a typical climbing wheelset (low profile).0
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I have Rolf Elan Aero Rs's and rate them very highly they're much faster than my hanbuilt (open pro rims) wheels and still perfectly true after 1400 miles on quite crap roads - much lighter than equivalent Mavic factory wheels (1370g inlc skewers)pm0
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Easton EA90 SLX or DT Swiss Mon Chaperal 1450 are very light and strong. I have the Eastons and love them. Both weigh under 1.5 kg the pair.0
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Ive just ordered a set Easton Tempest ll from the u s of a - mega saving on uk price even taking vat into account (I think!) Had Ksyrium SSC SL and broke 2 rear spokes in two months. I weigh 78kg. I feel Ksyriums are a bit over priced tbh.0
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Ksyriums are heavy, unaerodynamic and above all, expensive. A triumph of marketing over quality. They were good wheels when they came out in 2001 but the design hasn't moved on too much. You still have a sister-of-Open Pro rim, giant spokes and decent hubs. It's the spokes that are so unaero, they are wide and not so handy in crosswinds and not good at high speeds. Lab tests also suggest they flex a lot. This goes for many wheels but the Ksyriums are relatively expensive. Even the pros on Mavic-sponsored teams tend to avoid them, preferring the Cosmic wheels.
Why not get some DT1.1 or Open Pro rims, put Sapim CX-Ray spokes on and use Dura Ace, Record or DT240 hubs?0 -
Shamal ultra's...fantastic wheels very very stiff and light 1395 grams,i had the ksyriums before and think these beat the sl ksyriums 10 times over in performance stiffness and blingness!!
Up hup hup hup.....fricking hate that!0 -
http://bike-components.de/catalog/Wheels/Road+Race/WH-7850+Dura+Ace+SL+Laufradsatz
Does anybody have this wheelset? How good are they if compared to Fulcrum1 or Eurus? The Shimano set is cheaper and lighter...what about stiffness?0 -
Simialr positon recently, wanted new wheelset for new build and liked the Mavic range over many years.........however found these at CRC and delighted with them. Checked with Ritchey and Ok for my 89kg. Matched the Ritchey finishing kit ....... got them for 350 but have now gone up in the sale to 400!!!!
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wheeler585 im not sure about the shamal's, they just look odd in gold IMO!
theres just something about the ksyrium wheels though, oh i dont know what to do!!!_______________________________________________________________________________________
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just a thought, what about the Mavic R-Sys SSC ???_______________________________________________________________________________________
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You should go on the weight weenies website if you want scientific info about wheels, loads of stuff on there. The R-Sys are widely considered to be un-aerodynamic and very overpriced. From what I've read the latest Dura Ace wheels are reckoned to be one of the very best around (520ish on Wiggle but not in stock yet)0
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steve23 wrote:wheeler585 im not sure about the shamal's, they just look odd in gold IMO!
theres just something about the ksyrium wheels though, oh i dont know what to do!!!
I think you can get these in a silver colour for 2008. They look very cool 8) I'm sure i've seen em on Parkers website0 -
schlepcycling wrote:How about either Campag Eurus or Neutron Ultra.
Good point. The Nuetron is a perfect all-rounder, but from a builder's view, Campag wheels are only spec'd with their groupset. It's blasphemy otherwise0 -
I always found my K ES's to be a good all round wheel. I have been considering a set of R Sys wheels as they are light and cheap compared to others which have an extra 100g+ on them for more money.
That said I think one of the best set of wheels I ever had were a set of posh bike builds with DT r1.1 rims, Sapim X ray spokes and tune hubs thy were awesome but where does one draw the line at price over weight?
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Ksyrium's are great, very robust wheels. I would suggest going for the more expensive versions because they have the engineering advantages that are absent in the cheaper versions (it's trickle down marketing in action, that).
Eurus wheels are as good or better; or DuraAce (which I've not ridden) are highly rated too. Stupid light wheels are, on the whole, stupidly light, will fail, especially if you're heavier than a racing lightweight.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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on the handbuilt issue ... lots of people, including me, don't like the aesthetics of many handbuilts with modern carbon bikes ... Sure, they look great on a Master X-Lite, but not on a Scott Addict or something.
Also, the classic open-pro/ Sapim / Group hubs build is NOT aerodynamic. Depending on spoke count you could even end up with something less aero than ksyriums.
I would agree that SSC SLs are considerably overpriced for what they are. They have a good reliability record but then so do Campag Zondas which are around £200 cheaper, almost as light, probably a bit more aero, and arguably have better hubs.0 -
Theres nothing wrong with Ksyriums or the SLs they are great wheels. Just that there's so many more available nowadays to compare them with since when they first came out.
I do remember the issues with the ESs and the R-Sys aren't reckoned to be a great wheel either. I say if you want to play safe and you want a good strong light wheel then go with the Ksyriums.
I have been riding mine for nearly 5 years with no issues whatsoever.0 -
Hmm - interesting that everyone slates the R Sys.. I think I may go for a set of these from posh for roughly the same price and weight - I think they look quite nice aswell
http://www.poshbikes.com/product.php?id=142
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what issues where there with the ES wheels?_______________________________________________________________________________________
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steve23 wrote:what issues where there with the ES wheels?
somebody will probably say spokes snapping or something.
honestly though, there are about as many pairs of ksyriums rolling around as there are other £400+ wheelsets put together. They are EVERYWHERE and based on my own experience and that of many others I think their reliability record is very much a plus point.
the real issue is that for the money you can get something that is at least as light, just as strong and more aero.0 -
TheGreatGatsby wrote:I always found my K ES's to be a good all round wheel. I have been considering a set of R Sys wheels as they are light and cheap compared to others which have an extra 100g+ on them for more money.
That said I think one of the best set of wheels I ever had were a set of posh bike builds with DT r1.1 rims, Sapim X ray spokes and tune hubs thy were awesome but where does one draw the line at price over weight?
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SYS cheap? Are you joking??!! Compared to Shamals or the new Dura Ace both at about the same weight they are not cheap!0 -
670 for a wheel set is cheap...
...isn't it? well it is compared to Hypeons or Boras. only 200 more than the shamal and nearly 80g lighter.
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mate, if you've got the money and you think 670 is cheap then go for it (just remember to get a reality check too)0
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sorry :oops:
its relative I guess as I was looking at the afore mentioned boras which are 1500 or something and the hyperons which are like 1300 so in comparison something thats the same weight but only 670 is cheap. And also compared to a record groupset which is a grand they're also cheap(er) in comparison.
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