Mavic R-Sys v Dura Ace WH-7850-C24-CL v Fulcrum Racing Zero
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phil s wrote:I have also ridden Campag Eurus and I know that Campag lie about their weights. 100g off in that case. Mavic are also prone to telling a few prokies about wheel weights.
I have to disagree here about the Mavics.
I have just bought a set of Ksyrium SL Premiums, and they are actually 40g's lighter than stated.0 -
powenb wrote:phil s wrote:I have also ridden Campag Eurus and I know that Campag lie about their weights. 100g off in that case. Mavic are also prone to telling a few prokies about wheel weights.
I have to disagree here about the Mavics.
I have just bought a set of Ksyrium SL Premiums, and they are actually 40g's lighter than stated.
you got lucky (though they might be less stiff! )
it seems most manufacturers pick a weight that is a bit below the weight of most of the examples of that item. then there is the extrusion process for some alloy parts that uses molds which become slightly enlarged allowing meaning more mass in the finished product.0 -
the shimaNO's are undoubtadly the prettiest wheels here, but for everyday all round use i'd say the fulcrums. they are strong , they are a reasonable weight, they are dependable.
the shimano's could be unpredictable in the wind and not ideal for wet weather. the mavics look shit and, heard from an experianced cyclist who has tried both, don't spin up as quick as the fulcrums. i doubt they would roll as well as either of the other 2 on your list.0 -
aarw wrote:the shimano's could be unpredictable in the wind .
Er, why would the Shimanos be 'unpredictable in the wind'? Took mine out for the first time on Sunday - pretty windy day - and they were a lot more 'predictable' than my Ksyriums. Perhaps unsurprising , seeing as they don't have the wide spokes that the K's (or the Fulcrums) have.
Being a bit of a wheel fetishist, including spells on handbuilts, Neutrons, every Ksyrium variant going, Carbones, Zipps, Lightweights, you name it, I think the new Shimano's are by far the best clinchers I've ever been on.
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Perhaps they're square?dennisn wrote:Not trying to be an as*hole but what do you mean by "I doubt they would roll..........?
To be brutally honest I choose pretty much all of my kit based on two criteria:-
1. How much do I feel like spending on X.
2. Which do I think is the prettiest.
(occasionally 3. did a bike mag say anything particularly nice/unfavourable about the item)0 -
Refreshingly honest, you must be popular at your local bike shop, but when spending money, do looks matter so much? One of the points of forums like this is that you get long-term opinions of kit and ideas on what's easy to use, rides better etc.orv wrote:To be brutally honest I choose pretty much all of my kit based on two criteria:-
1. How much do I feel like spending on X.
2. Which do I think is the prettiest.
(occasionally 3. did a bike mag say anything particularly nice/unfavourable about the item)0 -
yes.Kléber wrote:Refreshingly honest, you must be popular at your local bike shop, but when spending money, do looks matter so much?
No, usually you simply get six different completely conflicting opinions on what's good and what isn't... and how do you know who to believe and who not to believe? Who has a high post count? does that mean that they're experienced and authoritative? or simply that they haven't got anything better to do?Kléber wrote:One of the points of forums like this is that you get long-term opinions of kit and ideas on what's easy to use, rides better etc.
*edit* - just realised some people might take that comment personally! not directing that at anyone in particular, simply mean that on message boards like this its very hard to identify who is an authoritative source and who simply has a pet theory or opinion to push.
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The beauty of the internet. Proof that infinite monkeys at infinite keyboards won't produce the works of shakespear.0 -
gkerr4 wrote:
All the new high end wheels look really good to me. Some look a bit more functional than others. Some look really high tech and probably are. Each company seems to strive
for a certain "look" that they think will sell wheels and that includes the "bling" factor.
Would I buy a pair? Only if I had lots of money. I really do enjoy building my own wheels.
Are they fast, aero, and light? Well, sort of, I suppose. Then again I'm 60 and don't race
anymore but If I did I would probably buy a set of the "latest thing".
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Rich.H wrote:mookie wrote:I think the new Shimano's are by far the best clinchers I've ever been on.
mookie
Mookie
Can you expand on your comment a little more - and confirm that these are the new Dura Ace wheels as per the thread title?
Cheers
Rich
Rich - Shimano's wheel numbers are getting a bit confusing. These are the carbon/alu 'fused' shallow ones with, er, red nipples and '1380' on the rims. Mine also have a little 'prototype' sticker on the rim beds
My biggest problem with being a Shimano user is that I couldn't really ride Neutrons/Nucleons any more. These really remind me of those, except they spin up faster (because the rim is so light). Haven't weighed them, but Shimano claim 1388g for the set, which is light for production clinchers.
I'm not fit enough atm to really give them a beating, but they are stiff - not Lightweight stiff, but certainly more so than the many pairs of Ksyriums I've used over the years. And they feel weirdly aero. Certainly very well behaved in the vicious cross winds I was riding in on Sunday. Lovely braking surface - I'd have no problems with these in the wet.
I think they cost me £550 or so from Sigma. Shimano have really got these right.
mookie. (AKA humpty from t'old forum...)0
