That Police Pay row, Tax Cuts/Rises & Repatriation- the

Tom Butcher

Rubbish - you've got 2.5% but they haven't backdated it - if you work another 10 years you'll have got that 2.5% for all of that period. It equates to exactly what I said - 1.9% for the current 12 month period and an additional 0.6% thereafter. Your pay award next year is irrelevant to that.

pipsqueak

Tom - i'll make it simple.

Ill give you £10 a month for a year to say... cut my grass ,which equals £120. and review how much i give you each year
BUT, ill only start paying you in 3 months time. You dont get £120 do you, you only get £90 ( or at least you did when i was at school).

In the broader context Tom, the back dating equates to about £200 quid, which in the great scheme of things is not a huge amount of money. It is the bigger future picture, where most police officers are looking, as being public sector employees we have ABSOLUTELY NO rights when it comes to pay negotiations. So lets say next September ,as occurred this year, the government drags its heels until, January to award a pay rise and again does not backdate the award from the previous September, the effect of the award would only be three quarters of the origional amount ( 8/12's).

The following year it slips again etc etc.

It's not rubbish Tom, and if you think it is, i'll gladly swap my £90 for your £120 every single day of the week..... or should that be year?

Tom Butcher

Look - because the award has unfairly not been backdated for this year it will equate to 1.9% - but for all future years it will equate to 2.5%. In other words equivalent to exactly as I said - 1.9% with an extra 0.6% at the end of the 12 month period.

This is good news for you because the award is obviously more generous than you understand.

Mithras

Tom
Are you some kind of Govt. spin doctor.
Yes i agree from September 2008, the Pay rise we will get will be 2.5%, However from September 2007 until that point, because our pay rise does not now start until December 2007 we get a 1.9% pay rise for the 12 months September 2007 to September 2007. And yes I agree, from the 1st of December my pay has risen 2.5% from what it was in September, October or November. The point is our pay rise was supposed to start in September.......Not bloody December.

On a nicer note....the firearms teams guarding our right dishonourable home secratary are alleged too have kept her from a peacefull nights sleep by doing loud radio checks and lots of shouting, siren checking etc on the night she told us about our pay cut. I believe she may even have complained. Petty i know but it's about the only form of protest we could get away with.

Hope she doesn't backdate the MP's 10% pay rise when they force it through. They may strike!

pipsqueak

Generous ???

Ashtrayhead

Tom Butcher wrote:

Look - because the award has unfairly not been backdated for this year it will equate to 1.9% - but for all future years it will equate to 2.5%. In other words equivalent to exactly as I said - 1.9% with an extra 0.6% at the end of the 12 month period.

This is good news for you because the award is obviously more generous than you understand.

Classic! Are you Bliar?

top_bhoy

I don't know the sums the Govt would save by holding back the money for a few months, I wouldn't imagine it to be huge, but it seems to me folly to antagonise an important body of the workforce, regardless your views on whether they do a good or bad job. It also doesn't look good on a Govt who are supposed to be working for better industrial relations but fail by going against an agreement and imposing their own terms onto a workforce who are denied the legal right to take industrial action.

It will be interesting to see if the MPs who will be voting on their own pay shortly (how good is that) will have theirs held back.

alfablue

This trick has been a long standing tradition when dealing with Nurses' (and other public sector) pay - there is an independent pay review body, and because of that the RcN maintains a no strike clause (now wearing very thin!) yet repeatedly the governments of the day ignore the decision and delay or stage the awards. After years of this morale sinks lower and lower with obvious affects on retention, the same will happen with the police. For the relatively small sums involved this seems to be complete folly.

spen666

Top_Bhoy wrote:

...

It will be interesting to see if the MPs who will be voting on their own pay shortly (how good is that) will have theirs held back.

It will be very interesting to see what Jacqui Smith does in the debate & voting on MPs pay.

I'll bet she doesn't oppose the pay increase or suggest it be delayed

alfablue

spen666 wrote:

Top_Bhoy wrote:

...

It will be interesting to see if the MPs who will be voting on their own pay shortly (how good is that) will have theirs held back.

It will be very interesting to see what Jacqui Smith does in the debate & voting on MPs pay.

I'll bet she doesn't oppose the pay increase or suggest it be delayed

I understand Gordon Brown is against voting for an increase - a small consolation that he is leading by example, but undoubtedly the vote will go in favour.