Campagnolo vs. Shimano

pb21

There have been plenty of my ‘Dura Ace could whip you Record in a guns blazing duel’ threads, but I don’t think an actual poll has been done so;

If you were getting a new bike would you choose Campagnolo or Shimano?

Try to keep the bitching to a minimum…

Ste_S

Ban request - Trolling :twisted:

nicklouse

Sram.

Oh and Ste-S i guess that is not a real request as you have not flagged the topic.

but if it gets out of hand it is gone.

bryanm

Rohloff

aracer

What's wrong with you - there isn't a neither option? Doesn't everybody know that the only true way is SRAM?

custom-freak

I think that the old campag vs shimano argument is just a version of the old dog or cat argument, they both make great pets but some prefer one over the other, and someone will always say neither and get a gerbil/snake/spider/rock
for what it's worth i use both and love both cats nd dogs but would say that given the choice will go for campag and cats no dogs aarrrrrrrrrrgggg can't make up my mind want both! is that allowed?

Cf

mercurykev

Personally I prefer a Shimergo setup - the best of both worlds.

noggincp

what about Sturmey Archer then :oops:

Gav2000

custom-freak wrote:

I think that the old campag vs shimano argument is just a version of the old dog or cat argument, they both make great pets but some prefer one over the other, and someone will always say neither and get a gerbil/snake/spider/rock
for what it's worth i use both and love both cats nd dogs but would say that given the choice will go for campag and cats no dogs aarrrrrrrrrrgggg can't make up my mind want both! is that allowed?

Cf

If the pet options were a dog/cat with no visible cables or a dog/cat with a cable sticking out at right angles to it I know which dog/cat I'd prefer. It wouldn't matter which one made the best guard dog, played with the ball of string better or whatever else, I'm very shallow and will have the better looking one please.

redddraggon

Anything other than Record is a compromise.

Unfortunately I've got to compromise and my next bike will be with carbon centaur.

However I've got a bike with Sora, and it does it's job. But I wouldn't want to pay for Dura Ace and still have cables sticking out of the hoods. If SRAM and Campag can conceal the cables why can't shimano?

I prefer the positive shifting of campag.

giant_man

I think it's a great idea there's actually a poll so we can see who is using what.

Glad SRAM isn't included, far too early days yet.

Gussio

Cables stop my hands slipping off the front of the hoods

redddraggon

custom-freak wrote:

I think that the old campag vs shimano argument is just a version of the old dog or cat argument, they both make great pets but some prefer one over the other, and someone will always say neither and get a gerbil/snake/spider/rock
for what it's worth i use both and love both cats nd dogs but would say that given the choice will go for campag and cats no dogs aarrrrrrrrrrgggg can't make up my mind want both! is that allowed?

Cf

Dogs definitely, cats are stupid.

nicklouse

de_sisti

mercurykev wrote:

Personally I prefer a Shimergo setup - the best of both worlds.

I agree.

top_bhoy

The thing is, most people going for a new bike will have little choice. From what I can see, at the moment, the majority of the mass market bikes are equipped with Shimano as standard - to change and/or spec for Campag, there is probably a fairly big cost supplement involved.

redddraggon

Top_Bhoy wrote:

The thing is, most people going for a new bike will have little choice. From what I can see, at the moment, the majority of the mass market bikes are equipped with Shimano as standard - to change and/or spec for Campag, there is probably a fairly big cost supplement involved.

There are plenty of bikes with campag equipped as standard, but you have to look at the Italian brands such as Bianchi, Viner, Wilier, etc

Bikes with Veloce and below are rather easy to get ahold of, pricewise compared to bikes with Shimano. Once you get to centaur and above you are starting to get a bit pricey above the equivalent shimano stuff.

peanut

nicklouse wrote:

Hey Nicklouse do you run a fish farm ? or is it just a cat holiday health farm ?

Whoever said cats are stupid and dogs are intelligent hasn't owned a Doberman

dttlincs

If the pet options were a dog/cat with no visible cables or a dog/cat with a cable sticking out at right angles to it I know which dog/cat I'd prefer. It wouldn't matter which one made the best guard dog, played with the ball of string better or whatever else, I'm very shallow and will have the better looking one please.[/quote]

Great!
I have a dog, a great looking German Shorthaired Pointer with a docked tail, so does that mean I should prefer campag!
As docking is now banned if I was to get another dog of the same breed it will have a full tail and will therefore have all its cables sticking out and therefore I should now prefer shimano!
Confused!!!!!

aracer

redddraggon wrote:

Top_Bhoy wrote:

The thing is, most people going for a new bike will have little choice. From what I can see, at the moment, the majority of the mass market bikes are equipped with Shimano as standard - to change and/or spec for Campag, there is probably a fairly big cost supplement involved.

There are plenty of bikes with campag equipped as standard, but you have to look at the Italian brands such as Bianchi, Viner, Wilier, etc

Bikes with Veloce and below are rather easy to get ahold of, pricewise compared to bikes with Shimano. Once you get to centaur and above you are starting to get a bit pricey above the equivalent shimano stuff.

Though you do have to make a particular effort to search such bikes out. Even high street bike shops which sell a range of different road bikes and know about road stuff tend to be almost completely Shimano dominated IME.

Meanwhile you have to be careful you're comparing like with like between Shimano and Campag if looking at price labels: Centaur = Ultegra, Chorus = DA, Record = ?

top_bhoy

redddraggon wrote:

Top_Bhoy wrote:

The thing is, most people going for a new bike will have little choice. From what I can see, at the moment, the majority of the mass market bikes are equipped with Shimano as standard - to change and/or spec for Campag, there is probably a fairly big cost supplement involved.

There are plenty of bikes with campag equipped as standard, but you have to look at the Italian brands such as Bianchi, Viner, Wilier, etc

Bikes with Veloce and below are rather easy to get ahold of, pricewise compared to bikes with Shimano. Once you get to centaur and above you are starting to get a bit pricey above the equivalent shimano stuff.

Of course Campag is available on bikes but when you look at the bikes you mention, they are very much in the minority and are certainly not part of the mass market to which I was referring. I stand by my statement that if you go into most bike shops the vast majority of bikes are Shimano equipped.

nicklouse

peanut wrote:

Hey Nicklouse do you run a fish farm ? or is it just a cat holiday health farm ?

Whoever said cats are stupid and dogs are intelligent hasn't owned a Doberman

used to have a mouse farm. would drive the cats and Daschund mad.

but back on topic as it has gone a bit more seriously than i felt it might, i will be putting a Road bike together later in the year (next) and all i can say is that it will not be shimano based.

redddraggon

Top_Bhoy wrote:

Of course Campag is available on bikes but when you look at the bikes you mention, they are very much in the minority and are certainly not part of the mass market to which I was referring. I stand by my statement that if you go into most bike shops the vast majority of bikes are Shimano equipped.

Yeh, you are right, but if you know you want campag it's easy to find. If you're a beginner, campag will perhaps be rather invisible.

Shimano totally dominate the market, but not because they are better, perhaps some anti-competition law should come into play?

4candles

I'm only buying Shimano Dura-Ace because i prefer shiney stuff over carbon black... my only consessions are the big bottle opener, the 15mm end bolt spanner and a ghibly rear track disc... other than that i'm Dura-Ace all the way.

Dunedin397

On road bikes Shimano is standard unless you were to go to a more specialist bike shop where they stock Italian brands. One reason for sticking with Shimano is that you're more likely to find spares no matter where you are in the UK. SRAM have made good inroads in the mountain bike market, so it'll be interesting to see how their groupsets fare in the road bike market.

The main gripe I have with Shimano is the brake cables sticking out of the sides, Campagnolo certainly looks far tidier.

Dunedin

pliptrot

Suntour Superbe Pro. Back from the days when manufacturers focused on what was important, before marketing got in the way.

I use Record, Dura Ace and the above. How to choose? It depends on the day. A bike built with the best bit for each function would have Suntour derailleurs, a Shimano freehub, Mavic SSC rims, Dia-Compe brakes, Sugino chainset, Campag ergo power, Shimano pedals. But then the big manufacturers realized what they were missing through a little competition and set about denying us all choice. Once this was done the quality of their offerings could be reduced without complaint.

Hence these sorts of threads.

hamstercp

Interesting bike build, but I cannot say I disagree with the choices. Sugins are massively underrated to me (but I'd fit TA chainrings as Suginos seemed always a bit soft.)

stjohnswell

Bring back Mavic!

dave5n

stjohnswell wrote:

Bring back Mavic!

Why? :?

System_1

aracer has it right. I don't think it's fair to judge on top of the range groupsets. I'd certainly hope that Record is better than Dura Ace seeing as it''s £300 more expensive. Compare them at similar price ranges however, and I doubt there is that much of a difference. It's down to personal preference really.

For what it's worth I'm a Shimano man. Just try and get Campag parts at short notice and you'll realise why.

stjohnswell

dave5n wrote:

stjohnswell wrote:

Bring back Mavic!

Why? :?

Because competition drives innovation.

However, I concede that the chainset looks like a 1980's Halfords wheel trim.