Tossers who cant keep their traps shut

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And SimHQ. Get around a bit don't ya?

Anonymous

Fair comment, Mikey - RLJ'ers are a menace and make drivers treat the rest of us like scum

As do every single bicyclicst who feels they need to shout obscenities at everyone who is doing something wrong. I hate it when people act like idiots as well, but feel no need to make every other rider I respect look bad because I can't keep my mouth shut. Bikers will always be second rate to motorists as long as they act second rate.
There is really no need at all to shout at people you don't know and suffer looking like you think you own the ground they walk on. People make mistakes, and the ones who hide behind them have to keep their eyes open wider than those who accept logic.
My mouth will make other bikers suffer, even without knowing or meeting them, the malice of people who I need not police for my own content.
Sorry, but I never want to bring wrath on others with my actions.
Keep the rubber side down.
Be cool.

jefferee

bikers46 wrote:

Fair comment, Mikey - RLJ'ers are a menace and make drivers treat the rest of us like scum

As do every single bicyclicst who feels they need to shout obscenities at everyone who is doing something wrong. I hate it when people act like idiots as well, but feel no need to make every other rider I respect look bad because I can't keep my mouth shut. Bikers will always be second rate to motorists as long as they act second rate.

More specifics here?

I feel I'm well within my rights to shout at (or AirZound) any motorist whose behaviour threatens me with injury or worse.

richardjallen

bikers46 wrote:

Fair comment, Mikey - RLJ'ers are a menace and make drivers treat the rest of us like scum

As do every single bicyclicst who feels they need to shout obscenities at everyone who is doing something wrong. I hate it when people act like idiots as well, but feel no need to make every other rider I respect look bad because I can't keep my mouth shut. Bikers will always be second rate to motorists as long as they act second rate.
There is really no need at all to shout at people you don't know and suffer looking like you think you own the ground they walk on. People make mistakes, and the ones who hide behind them have to keep their eyes open wider than those who accept logic.
My mouth will make other bikers suffer, even without knowing or meeting them, the malice of people who I need not police for my own content.
Sorry, but I never want to bring wrath on others with my actions.
Keep the rubber side down.
Be cool.

I've let fly at two taxi drivers. The first time I felt I was in the right. The second time I was not and both times I've felt like I embarrassed myself. In fact the first time I even phoned the taxi rank to apologise. To start with I never shouted at anyone but after many close calls I felt I had reason to. I have decided to put and end to it now.

But what about the situations where the driver is clearly in the wrong and endangers your life? These are the situations that makes my blood boil.

Anonymous

More specifics here?

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It's pretty cut and dried. Yell at people and those who wear bike gear and ride will be stereotyped. Very simple. I choose to just shine it on. I don't need the stress, and I don't need to disrespect my fellow riders by bringing indignation upon them when they are not present.
Popping a vein doesn't solve anything or inform anyone. It just causes everyone stress.

It's only a thing.

BentMikey

You shouldn't assume that I shout at people when not keeping my trap shut. Just talking to people and not losing your rag is quite possible, and often gets positive results. I've seen a few comments about how telling people that RLJing is bad has resulted in them no longer jumping lights, and I've had a fair few drivers put up their hands and apologise. That almost never happens with shouting.

I've a question for you, bikers46, do you jump red lights regularly?

spen666

bikers46 wrote:

Fair comment, Mikey - RLJ'ers are a menace and make drivers treat the rest of us like scum

As do every single bicyclicst who feels they need to shout obscenities at everyone who is doing something wrong. I hate it when people act like idiots as well, but feel no need to make every other rider I respect look bad because I can't keep my mouth shut. ....

Are you the same when you see criminals committing other crimes?

You just step over the rapist as he is raping the innocent femail?

you just ignore the spotty 14 year old beating and mugging the Granny?

Or is it just road using criminals whose crimes you ignore?

Anonymous

BentMikey wrote:

I've a question for you, bikers46, do you jump red lights regularly?

As a matter of fact, no, I do not. I stop at red lights because it is the law. 99% of the time, the law protects me. I signal left with left hand (legal here), right for right, I use my left arm to illustrate slowing down, correct direction on all streets, stay off the sidewalk, I obey the laws, mainly because they are logical and protect me.
Actually, I obey none of these laws nearly everytime I ride because I ride in the woods nearly 100% of the time I ride. I despise streets and most users of them. But when I do use them, I obey and hope to be an example to others. As far as other riders not obeying laws, I really don't care.
If I feel like the law is pinching me, I exercise my voting rights as well as other freedoms I have where I live. I NEVER make comments to others about their behaviour. If I do, it is positive and uplifting. I do not denegrate or defame others. Ever.

Apparently I've recently become a target for you. I don't feel I need to justify myself to you or anyone else. I post my OPINION here just as you and everyone else does. My OPINION.

Looks like you have done this to others from the IM's I have recieved from your past subjects.
This post should spark a fire for you, but I won't be back to find out.
Like it says below........

Anonymous

spen666 wrote:

Are you the same when you see criminals committing other crimes?

You just step over the rapist as he is raping the innocent femail?

you just ignore the spotty 14 year old beating and mugging the Granny?

Or is it just road using criminals whose crimes you ignore?

Yes.

No

No

No

'Matter of fact, I have never come across the questions/situations that got the No's.

I have, however, been robbed at gun point (held to the back of my head while driving a cab,) been mugged and left unconcious for 20 minutes while waiting for a bus on a Seattle street while trying to get home from my graveyard shift at 2 am. I have suffered homelessness and it's casualties, and much more.

Crime affects everyone, not just the immediate victim. Prices, laws, casualties, freedoms, on & on, but I think you know that.

I don't give a s**t about laws, but I respect them. My conscience is most often my guide.
None of this is high level science.

Anonymous

I've a question for you, bikers46, do you jump red lights regularly?

One last, when I do stop (always,) I stay behind the line, where-as most others I see riding stop IN the crossing area so pedestrians end up having to walk out of the designated area then back in to go around the bike, which legally puts the ped in harms way to do so. We most often defend, loudly and arrogantly, what we know we are doing that is wrong.

I stay off streets because I don't like the laws and the streets, but, as I said, obey them while I use them.

BentMikey

bikers46 wrote:

Apparently I've recently become a target for you. I don't feel I need to justify myself to you or anyone else. I post my OPINION here just as you and everyone else does. My OPINION.

Looks like you have done this to others from the IM's I have recieved from your past subjects.
This post should spark a fire for you, but I won't be back to find out.
Like it says below........

A target? No, though perhaps you might be taking my disagreement with your opinions a bit personally. I don't know what you mean in the second para I've quoted.

I think Spen's post is probably the most telling about your approach to criminals. Clearly your real answer to the fourth question is actually yes, else you'd tell off people jumping red lights.

Anonymous

Mikey, whatever the case, I DO NOT tell anyone off. You seem to have missed what I am saying. I can steer my bike away from people you think need to be 'told.' It's not my place or desire to tell any one off.

To do so passes my image or actions as a 'biker' as percieved by others as the way all bikers respond. I desire not to illicit the response from those being 'told off' to others who come after me.

As far as others who have been targets....I've recieved IM's telling me you are a bit harsh, and I have been invited away from this forum 'because Mikey isn't there.' I do as I please, as long as I do not impinge on others rights. I don't want anyone doing it to me.

I have seen you to be a level headed guy here in most cases, so why do you feel you need to kick me today?

As I said, it's my OPINION.

Anonymous

Enough. I don't care about yelling at others or 'advising' them, but I recieve subsequential treatment because of those who do. I love the woods. I avoid the streets like the plague.
'Through with this thread.

BentMikey

What you've missed though, is the possibility of stopping people from injuring or killing others. That little bit of social pressure we can generate by telling someone it isn't acceptable to jump red lights or to drive whilst talking on the mobile phone does make a power of a difference. That's actually something worthwhile doing, whilst preventing a little bit of stereotyping is never going to have as much of a positive effect in my opinion.

And I do hope you'll continue with this debate. I don't like personal attacks any more than you do.

iainment

SecretSam wrote:

BentMikey wrote:

homers double wrote:

BentMikey wrote:

I sometimes tell off red light jumpers

What are you? Some kind of lycra wearing vigilante?

Get a fucking grip man its not like they've abducted maddy is it!

Since I've had two cycling mates injured by RLJing fcukwits, and it's a huge problem for many non-cyclists in London, yes, actually, it is a little.

If you don't like getting social pressure and public embarrassment, then don't do it. RLJers should get a grip, because it's not me breaking the law.

Fair comment, Mikey - RLJ'ers are a menace and make drivers treat the rest of us like scum

No they don't.

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