Behave yourselves

Random Vince

alfablue wrote:

Ah, I see - the down tube where the seat stays join could be drilled I guess (my front forks - Kona P2's are drilled like this), but a bit extreme.

yeh, erm, in the imortal words of Gene Hunt "get bent"
i'm not drilling my frame

jefferee

cupofteacp wrote:

How do you fit mudguards to front suspension?

Some guards designed for front suspension attach to the inside of the steer tube. One example here.

Random Vince

you have options;

crud catcher on the downtube,
shockboard clipped to the crown

the DB v brake arch fitment that i'm currently makeing (patent pending) basically a metal spacer that's going to fit to the v brake mounts (with brakes fitted or not) to hang a normal mudguard from.

jedster

re. being to close if you are getting sprayed. Well I find as I move up to overtake, I can't avoid passing through the spray -it seems to fan out, particularly if there's any kind of cross wind.

tardington

Also, sideways spray!

C'mon guys, it's not like we are your parents shouting at you! No mudguards = mess on other cyclists!

jedster

<i>I don't think it's fair to call other cyclists without mudguards selfish</i>

No? Surely it's a question of "I can't be arsed with/dont like the look of mudguards so I'll spray people instead". I'm not saying it's a heinious offence but it IS low grade selfishness.

Stig-OT-Dump

Well that's me told. I'm selfish. But I don't want slicks. I don't want thinner wheels. I commute as part of my training and want the increased rolling resistance of my knobbly tyres. Any faster on my way to and from work and the value of the exercise would be diminished.

I am quite often in front of [road] bikes - but hang back or overtake.

Maybe that is selfish, but if you're not enjoying the benefits of my slipstream, then what time is it going to add to your journey to hang back a few more feet? Of course, if you're just wanting a tow.... in the dry.....

Well, the words Pot and Kettle do spring to mind.

Meanwhile, revel in the view of my plump cheeks rubbing together!

Drfabulous0

Hell, half my commute is off road so I'll use whatever tyre work best for me, Crud catchers keep my face and arse dry enough and I don't really give a toss about spray behind me. OK, maybe I'm selfish but if you were drafting me in the dry you would most likely get it from the water pistol anyway. Overtake or back off, we don't think we own the road but we are entitled to our space on it.

jedster

Drfab,

yeah I'd overtake and be mildly pissed off by the spray I ate in the process. I don't draft people when I'm commuting. still, if half your commute is offroad you probably dont have a choice.

Stig,

commute as part of my training and want the increased rolling resistance of my knobbly tyres. Any faster on my way to and from work and the value of the exercise would be diminished.

you could go further on slicks in the same time - get the same benefit. Do you always go exactly the same route to work? Added benefits of better grip on road.

J

cupofteacp

If you don't like getting wet you have a number of choices

don't ride when it's wet

don't ride to close to others, behind or to the side

stop being selfish and expecting others to help you, sort yourselves out

Clever Pun

cupofteacp wrote:

If you don't like getting wet you have a number of choices

don't ride when it's wet

don't ride to close to others, behind or to the side

stop being selfish and expecting others to help you, sort yourselves out

Agreed.

there's no way I'm putting guards on my bike

jedster

<i>stop being selfish and expecting others to help you, sort yourselves out</i>

sure, of course, that's what you have to do because other people often are selfish.

But your advice is just like advising your neighbour to get some earplugs because there's no way you are going to turn down your music at 3 am. Certainly pragmatic but undoubtedly selfish too.

J

El Capitano

cupofteacp wrote:

If you don't like getting wet you have a number of choices

don't ride when it's wet

don't ride to close to others, behind or to the side

stop being selfish and expecting others to help you, sort yourselves out

Well said that man, have a slice of cake.

El Capitano

jedster wrote:

<i>Why should I?

Just stay the hell out of my slip-stream if you're worried you'll get a bit of spray on you!
</i>

Yeah, no reason other than to be considerate to other road users. You may not give a toss about being considerate to other people - there's a technical term for people like that: @rseholes.

You might just as well say as a motorist "why shouldn't I just drive through that puddle right next to a cyclist/ped? If they were worried about getting sprayed they wouldn't be near the puddle".

MTB tyres throw up more spray than road tyres so it is incrementally less inconsiderate on slicks versus nobblies.

I totally understand that someone riding a road section to get to an off-road ride is not going to have guards but for regular road commuting - get some 1.25 or 1.5 slicks and get some guards - or leave the bike at home when it's raining.

Or just recognise that you are a selfish git.

Cheers,
J

Well, obviously I'm both an arsehole and a selfish git.

Does this look like a face that cares ->

skamanfrank

LOLZIPOPS at the poor little roadies getting water in their faces! You pathetic bastards!

If you decide that you're going to sit on the tail of someone else, inches away from their tyre, in the rain, then what the bloody hell do you expect!
You ride in slipstreams to make it easier for yourself yeah? Well when it's raining, you'll get sprayed, so erm, don't do it. Don't be lazy fuckers- go past, or drop back, or go to the side, or wear glasses so it doesn't get in your eyes, or buy us all mudguards

And just to get this straight, YOU think WE should spend OUR money on mud guards so that YOU can sit on OUR back wheel without getting water in your eyes, whilst WE break the air and make YOUR cycle easier for you? And if we don't, WE are selfish gits? I think remember why I didn't ever bother with this forum in the first place

My god that's the most fucking pathetic thing to rant about I've ever heard. Next time I'm tailed by a roadie I think I'll just slam my brakes on. Or clear my nose/throat.

Toodles, I'm off to touch myself and watch granny porn

DahnHilla

Here's a fair scenario..
We're in the rain, I'm riding to work on my 2inch knobbly tyres and some fag pulls up behind me on slicks, unfortunately a freaking deer jumps out of the woods, shaking his thayng. Naturally I slam on my 8 inch hydraulic discs.
At the same time as this is happening the idiot behind me who 1) Can't see the deer getting his groove on because he's to close to me and the spray from my tyre is obscuring his vision 2)Can't stop in time because the road is slippery and ploughs into me, knocking us both to the ground and Mr Deer starts doing the waltz on our faces before prancing off and getting hit by a range rover.

We're in the rain. I'm riding to work on my 2 inch knobbly tyres and some nice (albeit faggy) bloke starts catching me on the road, wishing not to be a pleb he hangs back 15foot. Shockingly a freaking deer jumps out of the woods shaking a tail feather. Naturally I slam on my 8 inch hydraulic discs.
At the same time as this is happening the guy behind me who can see clearly slams on his brakes and stops neatly behind me whilst Mr deer prances off into the path of an oncoming range rover, but it's all good because the fellow behind me wasn't an idiot to other road users and kept his distance like he's supposed to and as an added bonus he didn't get covered in spray.


I wonder what the moral could be here?

Spare Tyre

DahnHilla, you twice refer to "fags", and you feel it necessary to tell us (twice) about your "8 inch" discs. Some deep-seated sexual issues are coming to the surface here, I think!

DahnHilla

Or perhaps I'm creating an anecdote and slightly changing the course of events for 2 different scenarios whilst keeping a lot of the features the same.

I also refer to the following twice:
a dancing deer, a range rover, myself, my tyres, the rain, some woods, stopping, a road, spray, an instance in time.

Why do you feel the need to pick out the 2 features that you did?
What does Freud tell you to say now?

Dark_lord

Has to be said, moaning about a little wetness from the road is a bit rich coming from a band of cyclists known to drill holes in the bottom of their shoes just to let the "Water" out.

Why were you attempting to slipstream someone riding at 5mph anyway?

El Capitano

Dark_lord wrote:

drill holes in the bottom of their shoes just to let the "Water" out.

Doing that also saves weight and aids ventilation...

Bluestoesonnose

I can't believe what has been written here, its as bad as the CTC. Guards Suck, Spray rules, if you don't like it then hang back / overtake / go home, how hard is it to work out?

secretsam

skamanfrank wrote:

LOLZIPOPS at the poor little roadies getting water in their faces! You pathetic bastards!

etc, etc

My god that's the most ******* pathetic thing to rant about I've ever heard. Next time I'm tailed by a roadie I think I'll just slam my brakes on. Or clear my nose/throat.

Toodles, I'm off to touch myself and watch granny porn

OK, guys and gals, this is all getting out of hand and offensive. Frank: have passed your little rant on to the mods, no-one calls me that and gets away with it.

This was a daft post, not meant seriously and everyone's got way too over-wrought about it.

Calm down, I posted in anger and that was wrong. Didn't mean to offend anyone.

And, BTW, I wasn't slipstreaming, I was a good 2-3 metres back, it was very wet, and I'm not a lycra-gimp roadie, I'm just a regular fella on a nondescript bike. There's a lot of nasty prejudice on here between 'groups' of cyclists that is frankly a little sad.

Not a happy man. :evil:

Gavin Weeks