Evans and Dr Ferrari?

iainf72

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1500377.html

What does it say? The google translator mentions Dr. F against Cadel.

German speakers help!

LangerDan

2. Cadel Evans
Gegen den Australier liegen keine Verdachtsmomente vor. Was dem Lotto-Fahrer angelastet werden muss, ist die Zusammenarbeit mit dem ehemaligen Armstrong-Coach Dr. Michele Ferrari. Wie alle Fahrer beteuern, beschränkt sich die Tätigkeit von "Dottore Epo" rein auf das Erstellen von Trainingsplänen

I think the gist of it is (very roughly) - "There are no suspicions against the Australian. What the Lotto rider must answer is why he is co-operating with Armstrongs coach, Dr. Michele Ferrari. Like all riders who are under the care of "Doctor Epo", he says is only getting training plans /advice."

iainf72

Cheers.

So, Cadel. Clean?

bigdawg

yep, the first line says there are no suspicions about the rider... :?

iainf72

bigdawg wrote:

yep, the first line says there are no suspicions about the rider... :?

I think that refers to any involvement in doping cases or history.

timoid.

Confused. So is Ferrari devising Cadel's training plans or not?

After all that's all the good doctor did for Rominger, Armstrong and Vinokourov

bigdawg

if his website is correct there are British Coaches using his services too...

does that mean the upcoming juniors are all doped on epo..??

RichN95.

I think they've got him muddled up with Mick Rogers - these Aussies, they all look alike.

iainf72

Who is Cadel's manager?

I read it was Rominger but can't confirm it.

LangerDan

There was a comment on another site that Ferraris fees for his top level coaching are 15% of a riders earnings. Someone mentioned that for that, a rider expects more than a few interval sessions and an analysis of his SRM data.

bigdawg

As Ive said before ferrari sans drugs is still noe ofthe best cycling coaches in the world. If hes dishing out epo like smaritessurely the UCI WADA ACO...etc would come down on him like a ton of bricks (.........hopefully)

Im also sure after vino, the journo were going through his client list with a flea comb trying to find dirt or GC riders they could unintentionally accuse of doping....

RichN95.

iainf72 wrote:

Who is Cadel's manager?

I read it was Rominger but can't confirm it.

Yeah, it is. See:

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2014/v/1/sp/

Also his trainer is Aldo Sassi, from the Mapei institute, not Ferrari

Kléber

Perhaps Ferrari might be a great coach but his reputation has been built on the back of some notorious performances. He's spent plenty of time in court and narrowly escaped a prison sentence. He's part of a ring of "preparatore" in Italy who have been linked for some 20 years to shady practices.

Vino's association with him stank and there are plenty of other excellent coaches around. The performance gains from working with him are minimal compared to selecting another leading coach but the damage to your reputation isn't recoverable. Riders need not only to be clean but to look clean.

iainf72

RichN95 wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Who is Cadel's manager?

I read it was Rominger but can't confirm it.

Yeah, it is. See:

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2014/v/1/sp/

How many positive tests have Rominger managed cyclists had lately?

A lot, is the answer.

bigdawg

so the ferrari thing came to a dead end so youre going to carry on a witch hunt that way now...??! :?

iainf72

bigdawg wrote:

so the ferrari thing came to a dead end so youre going to carry on a witch hunt that way now...??! :?

Not a witch hunt. The link interested me, as does the Rominger.

He managed Kessler, Vino and Sinkewitz.

bigdawg

off you go then....

as Ive said before you could probably link every rider in the pro peleton with at least one dodgy character, doesnt mean no one is clean though...

iainf72

bigdawg wrote:

off you go then....

as Ive said before you could probably link every rider in the pro peleton with at least one dodgy character, doesnt mean no one is clean though...

We're in agreement actually. I just got fed up with the 100% conviction from people that Cadel is a choirboy and everyone else is dodgy.

LangerDan

I think the Cadel / Ferrari thing is a red-herring. Mick Rogers was the Aussie who went to Ferrari, and then had to sever his links, IIRC. However, Cadel being looked after by the doctor who was in charge of the Mapei training programme doesn't quite help matters either.

dave_1

iainf72 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Who is Cadel's manager?

I read it was Rominger but can't confirm it.

Yeah, it is. See:

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2014/v/1/sp/

How many positive tests have Rominger managed cyclists had lately?

A lot, is the answer.

A 56km hour record on standard tri bars. Is that a negative or a positive? Personally I am incredulous at that record still, 13 years on. I think Rominger should disseaper, as should Bruyneel and the former riders...and current riders associating with dodgy Drs should be target tested and put on some sort of league table in cycling magazines so we can see who are and are not associating with Drs who make dodgy comments about that which eludes a control is not doping etc. If Evans has used Ferrari, then we know where he stands

Eurostar

In case anyone's tempted to seek 'advice' from the good doctor you can get a free month's training from him if you buy an SRM from Poshbikes...http://poshbikes.com/make.php?21

timoid.

iainf72 wrote:

bigdawg wrote:

off you go then....

as Ive said before you could probably link every rider in the pro peleton with at least one dodgy character, doesnt mean no one is clean though...

We're in agreement actually. I just got fed up with the 100% conviction from people that Cadel is a choirboy and everyone else is dodgy.

It is interesting to see the different reactions of people when they found out Vinokourov was using Dr F against what the feelings are about Evans.

I'm sure the Dr can tailor your training programme to your ethics.

iainf72

Timoid. wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

bigdawg wrote:

It is interesting to see the different reactions of people when they found out Vinokourov was using Dr F against what the feelings are about Evans.

I'm sure the Dr can tailor your training programme to your ethics.

It was much like when Puerto broke before the Tour last year, if you remember. The weeping and refusal to believe Ullrich could be involved was astonishing. Yet when Armstrongs wee had EPO in it, the same people were just saying "I knew it, Jan has won loads of tours"

RichN95.

Timoid. wrote:

It is interesting to see the different reactions of people when they found out Vinokourov was using Dr F against what the feelings are about Evans.

I'm sure the Dr can tailor your training programme to your ethics.

But I don't think Evans is working with Ferrari. The most obvious explaination is that some low level reporter at a German newspaper has mixed him up with Rogers. It's not even a major article, merely a summary of allegations against the top 10.

Are any other news sources reporting this? If it was true, don't you think L'Equipe, at least, would have been all over the story?

Vino on the other hand, was banged to rights.

(The Rominger link is a little suspect though - but it's very circumstantial evidence)

hevipedal

Ferrari is a top coach, Britich Cycling coaches can learn from him. By having BC coaches learn from him they can pass on the good stuff to BC cyclists and at the same time protect them from both the adverse press comments and also any adverse actions that may take place in the Ferrari camp

dave_1

iainf72 wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

bigdawg wrote:

It is interesting to see the different reactions of people when they found out Vinokourov was using Dr F against what the feelings are about Evans.

I'm sure the Dr can tailor your training programme to your ethics.

It was much like when Puerto broke before the Tour last year, if you remember. The weeping and refusal to believe Ullrich could be involved was astonishing. Yet when Armstrongs wee had EPO in it, the same people were just saying "I knew it, Jan has won loads of tours"

It was Leiphemer and Michael Rogers who used Dr Ferrari. He may well be the best coach in the world, but anyone who's world view is -anything which eludes the law is not illegal-is not someone a bike rider should associate with. If Evans has an association with Ferrari, then I will lose interest even more

bigdawg

Aaaargh :x

Evans does not have an association with the 'good' Dr, the olny place you'll read this is in the article above :?

As stated if he did LeQuipe would have had his test results reanalyzed, found EPO HGH and lucozade and had him banned from the last 4 tours... :shock:

iainf72

Just to re-open discussion, Wim reckons Evans admitted Ferrari link

http://www.cycling4all.com/d_tmseva1.php

The Dr

IanianF72,,,,,,,,,,,,not sure what your beef with Cadel is but he is trained by ALDO SASSI NOT Dr Ferrari. And I know this for a fact, he has had no contact with Ferrari.

iainf72

The Dr wrote:

IanianF72,,,,,,,,,,,,not sure what your beef with Cadel is but he is trained by ALDO SASSI NOT Dr Ferrari. And I know this for a fact, he has had no contact with Ferrari.

No beef. I like Cadel.

It just keeps appearing as a rumour. And many many Rominger managed cyclists have contact with Dr. F.

andyp

The Dr wrote:

IanianF72,,,,,,,,,,,,not sure what your beef with Cadel is but he is trained by ALDO SASSI NOT Dr Ferrari. And I know this for a fact, he has had no contact with Ferrari.

He's managed by Tony Rominger. Most of Rominger's other clients have had a relationship with Ferrari. Can Evans prove he's any different?