Bike Locks TV Programme
fossyant
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Anyone here watch the programme on ITV London about locked bikes being stolen ?
I'm not from the area so I didn't get to see it - any good or bad news on locks as I'm after a new lock asap.
I'm not from the area so I didn't get to see it - any good or bad news on locks as I'm after a new lock asap.
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They basically showed that all locks are crap. Even the huge heavy duty motorbike style ones only took seconds to get through. Also showed how nobody on the street intervened while a guy was stealing bikes, one of them was directly outside Scotland Yard!! Priceless!0
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I consider myself enlightened !
I knew there was a reason my bike never got left anywhere !
Likely to be commuting by bike again soon (yeh !), so it's off to get at least 2 good d-locks. My other good d-lock secures my best bike to an anchor drilled 8 inches into the garage floor (nearly blew up a powerful drill just installing it).
Worrying that no one even noticed that HUGE bolt cropper.
Even more worrying, those bikes looked fairly ordinary - just a basic bike to me..... that's neither of my road bikes being left anywhere. My MTB's going to be converted to slicks and guards, but even then, despite being 12 years old, but it's running on Deore components with a new bright blue paint job, then it's easily a target.
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Since watching the programme I have to admit that I've been paying more attention to the locks being used on other bikes. So many use the most simple cable locks that are clearly easy enough for even the least equipped thief to break.
I never lock my good bikes in the street, and on the odd occasion I've had to I made sure I didn't leave them for more than a couple of minutes.
It was interesting seeing how inadequate the most expensive locks were, but the thieves seen in action were mainly equipped for lower standard locks. I'm not sure how they'd have coped with a heavy duty D-Lock.0 -
I don't even own a lock!! The las time I left any of my bikes outside was about 2 years ago!!0
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What good are locks anyway, thieves are now so blatant/desperate they will try and
steal you bike while your riding it. Happened to me cycling through Woolwich but the scumbags couldn't catch me, it was 9pm an not a coper in sight.0 -
BentMikey wrote:
I tried to watch that video but it says Im outside of the UK. But I am in the UK. Did anyone record it? Can someone please post it on Youtube (etc.) so that I can watch it?The first rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is.
The second rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is !!!!0 -
Thanx for the link...Been working overseas this week so I missed the programme, it was good to see it.
Best advice I saw was in the rough ride guide which said something along the lines: if you leave your bike, leave in it a high gear, slip the chain off, either wind on the brakes or loosen them...oh and while you're at it disconnect your QR skewers!
Tends to make the whole episode more enjoyable to passers by....just remember to do it all up again BEFORE you ride off!
Mind you, in the litigious society, we'll prolly end up in court, when they've stolen our bike and can't stop.... that is unless they end up under a truck....Am I allowed to say fingers crossed?? :shock:0 -
Hey, Those of you in the CTC will have got this in the e:mail from Yannick Read. Its a statement from Kryptonite re: the show. Quite interesting reading.
http://www.bikebiz.co.uk/news/28260/Kryptonite-questions-methods-used-in-lock-break-TV-show0 -
Yes 42" croppers are maybe not the weapon of choice of the bicycle thief, however it is the favourite of the Motorcycle thief.
The Faghettabouddt chain is Sold Secure GOLD for motorcycles. So it should actually stand up for 5 mins with a pair of 42" croppers according to the Sold Secure testing criteria. It lasted 11 SECONDS, in the ITV1 prog.
So something is clearly wrong with the testing standards. For a cable lock to acheive Sold Secure GOLD for bicycles, they do NOT test with Cable Cutters!!!
When you make a choice of which lock/chain/cable you buy, do you look for an approved product ? - Many of us do. So, many of the consumers, me and you, are being mislead. We are paying over the odds for products which, do not do what they say on the tin. This is not right.
Rant over - Just feel that Sold Secure have a responsibility to the customer, not the manufacturer!0 -
I can't believe you lot have fallen for the Allmax (all shite) sponsored crap on itv. Until they show unedited footage and show theeir own locks in comparison (funny how allmax left their own product out) then it's a load of crap.
No bicycle lock is 100% safe but the more you spend the more secure you are. As shown by the police footage they're not going to go after securely locked bicycles. So, ignore the allmax (all shite) hype pay for a good quality sold secure lock and keep your peace of mind.
Until allmax (all shite) signs up to and meets those standards anything they get involved in (like heavily editted copy of them cutting competitors locks but not their own) then treat them with the contempt they deserve.shameless powercranks plug
Don\'t run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!0 -
markhr wrote:I can't believe you lot have fallen for the Allmax (all shite) sponsored crap on itv. Until they show unedited footage and show theeir own locks in comparison (funny how allmax left their own product out) then it's a load of crap.
No bicycle lock is 100% safe but the more you spend the more secure you are. As shown by the police footage they're not going to go after securely locked bicycles. So, ignore the allmax (all shite) hype pay for a good quality sold secure lock and keep your peace of mind.
Until allmax (all shite) signs up to and meets those standards anything they get involved in (like heavily editted copy of them cutting competitors locks but not their own) then treat them with the contempt they deserve.
Sorry, I don't agree. I've never had to bust a lock, but I'm more than sure, with the right tools, I could get through any bike/motorbike lock in a very short space of time!! If you want to get through it, you will.0 -
Eat My Dust wrote:Sorry, I don't agree. I've never had to bust a lock, but I'm more than sure, with the right tools, I could get through any bike/motorbike lock in a very short space of time!! If you want to get through it, you will.
Obviously, the more you pay for a bicycle lock, the better equipped and determined a bike thief needs to be. However, if the bike thieves are committed "professionals" then no bike lock is 100% safe. Not exactly rocket science.
That's still no excuse for such a crap effort at marketing. Wow, we're allmax (all shite) and all our competitors locks are crap. We won't even test our own lock or show uneditted footage.
Yeah, really inspires confidence. Especially when allmax (all shite) can't even get their locks past a sold secure or similar standard.shameless powercranks plug
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Ok I confess, instead of letting Alex Nott the producer of this programme edit his own show, I kidnapped his family and forced him to let me edit it instead. In fact I'm quite pleased with my work, so pleased that I have applied for a job at ITV as an editor. Not got round to letting my captives loose yet but the time is close, they're starting to smell.
You muppet. You're in the UK so I'm assuming you're British, even if you're an American in the UK I'd have thought you have absorbed a little bit of common sense from the Brits by osmosis at least.0 -
Almax not Allmax, but thanks for the mention anyway.
ITV (Independant television Company) Not so, apparently, according to you. As they made and produced the programme, they made the decision about what to put into the show. Our chain was tested but not used in the footage. If you read the news section (on this forum) you will see the quote from us.
Our chains have been tested by sold secure and passed on every single occassion. Gold standard for Motorcycles & ATV's, Motor scooters, Cars, Caravans & Commercial & Industrial Vehicles.
Certificate Number
MCME/0303/515 in 2003
MCME/0803/533 in 2004
CTME/1205/819 in 2005
CTME/1205/819 In 2006
Our chains now carry Thatcham accreditation
Certificate Numbers
TMC3-286/0507
TMC3-285/0507
So therefore the Almax not only meets the standards, but in Sold Secure testing broke their bolt croppers (Yes I have doumentary proof of this) Our chains have never failed testing by any testing body.
Almax appear in the ITV programme for 1 minute and 50 seconds. Not exactly a huge amount of time. I suspect if you were a sponser you may want a longer slot! I can guarantee we were not a sponser of the show, we were just invited to attend.
I agree with you, people should buy a good quality lock. However, they would be better doing a little reseach, rather than taking the Sold Secure Logo on face value. As their CEO admitted to MCN in Dec 05 when told that 3 of their Gold Motorcycle products had been breached in seconds with bolt croppers, that the problem could apply to vitrually every lock and chain approved by the organisation, He said "presumably all the others are equally suspect. That would be every D Lock as well, as we test those with bolt croppers as well" So Markhr, would you buy a product on it's Sold Secure acceditation alone, knowing that their CEO said that they are 'all equally suspect'?0 -
weyhey it's captaincropper and his buddy allmaxx trolling the bicycle forums - I wonder how many others you've subscribed to?shameless powercranks plug
Don\'t run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!0 -
markhr wrote:weyhey it's captaincropper and his buddy allmaxx trolling the bicycle forums - I wonder how many others you've subscribed to?
Nicely sidestepped the issue there buddy.0 -
hardly
you've trolled at least one other bicycle forum and then when it was thrown back in your face threatened legal action because no-one rolled over and accepted your views.
alllllmaxxxx - as stated on other forums the program was commisioned by ITV and not made by them - in fact I can remember the "film maker" (who just happened to subscribe to the same frums you did) throwing his toys out of the cot because no-one would believe it.
I checked the soldsecure website and, supise, suprise, there's no mention of allumixxx.... sorry, almax. Please link the part of their website with your "certifications".
I did however find your 2007 thatcham accreditation - I am actually suprised - so If you got the thatcham ok why wasn't your chain and lock part of the ITV program?
http://www.thatcham.org/security/pdfs/c ... esCAT3.pdf
funnily I think I've said this before.
Obviously, the more you pay for a bicycle lock, the better equipped and determined a bike thief needs to be. However, if the bike thieves are committed "professionals" then no bike lock is 100% safe. Not exactly rocket science.shameless powercranks plug
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I'll try to make this clear enough for you to understand.
The videos on Youtube were made by IQ18 Films and paid for by Almax. Almax had a say in what went into the video.
The ITV programme was made by an ITV producer, not an external production company, we were asked to help with the cropping part of the prgoramme and we had no say whatsoever as to what was included in the programme. We broke cropper jaws on the Almax trying, I also destroyed the pushbike trying to crowbar off the Kryptonite 3000, that was also not shown. You can NOT tell a mainstream UK TV station what to put in their programme, it just doesn't happen.
So there you have it, no scam, no juicy scandal, it's all plain and simple for all to see.
The conduct of the members of Bikeforums.net over this issue has been a disgrace, it's not required here.0 -
CaptainCropper wrote:I'll try to make this clear enough for you to understand.
The videos on Youtube were made by IQ18 Films and paid for by Almax. Almax had a say in what went into the video.
The ITV programme was made by an ITV producer, not an external production company, we were asked to help with the cropping part of the prgoramme and we had no say whatsoever as to what was included in the programme. We broke cropper jaws on the Almax trying, I also destroyed the pushbike trying to crowbar off the Kryptonite 3000, that was also not shown. You can NOT tell a mainstream UK TV station what to put in their programme, it just doesn't happen.
So there you have it, no scam, no juicy scandal, it's all plain and simple for all to see.
The conduct of the members of Bikeforums.net over this issue has been a disgrace, it's not required here.
there you have it - just short of admits being one and the same as alllmaxxx and trolling other forums - gotta love these guys.shameless powercranks plug
Don\'t run red lights, wear a helmet, use hand signals, get some cycle lights(front and rear) and, FFS, don't run red lights!0 -
markhr wrote:CaptainCropper wrote:I'll try to make this clear enough for you to understand.
The videos on Youtube were made by IQ18 Films and paid for by Almax. Almax had a say in what went into the video.
The ITV programme was made by an ITV producer, not an external production company, we were asked to help with the cropping part of the prgoramme and we had no say whatsoever as to what was included in the programme. We broke cropper jaws on the Almax trying, I also destroyed the pushbike trying to crowbar off the Kryptonite 3000, that was also not shown. You can NOT tell a mainstream UK TV station what to put in their programme, it just doesn't happen.
So there you have it, no scam, no juicy scandal, it's all plain and simple for all to see.
The conduct of the members of Bikeforums.net over this issue has been a disgrace, it's not required here.
there you have it - just short of admits being one and the same as alllmaxxx and trolling other forums - gotta love these guys.
What? What the hell are you flapping on about now? I have a FULL TIME JOB in London, I test Almax stuff for free and do my bit to wake up the sleeping dinosaurs that are supposed to be testing our kit PROPERLY.
You're obviously just making this up as you go along so I'll not bother responding any more.
Any sensible person resding this thread can work out who the troll is.
Adios, you can go back the Bikeforums.net now.0 -
CaptainCropper wrote:What? What the hell are you flapping on about now? I have a FULL TIME JOB in London, I test Almax stuff for free and do my bit to wake up the sleeping dinosaurs that are supposed to be testing our kit PROPERLY.
You're obviously just making this up as you go along so I'll not bother responding any more.
Any sensible person resding this thread can work out who the troll is.
Adios, you can go back the Bikeforums.net now.
makes for very funny reading - you test the locks - website with results and uneditted video please?
Fair enough if you're trying to establish an alternative standard - let's see some uneditted results then, in a public forum, so your methods can be repated (good old fashioned peer review).
If I'm making this up as I go along at least I appear to have been flying by the seat of my pants longer than you have.
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/profile ... e&u=432139
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/profile ... e&u=438551
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/profile ... e&u=414949shameless powercranks plug
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LOOK HERE-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozppzywsLsk
Clips of the Almax chain breaking bolt croppers.
I have no link whatsoever with any bike or bike lock company.The first rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is.
The second rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is !!!!0 -
This thread should be up for an award! Brilliant!0
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What award would you give it?The first rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is.
The second rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is !!!!0 -
The making me smile-while-hungover-after-too-many-hoegaardens-last-night-award!
Do you work for Almax? Thats two threads you've posted that video on now.0 -
No I do not work for Almax. I just noticed that someone asked to see the Almax chain being tested. So i posted the clip on both threads where it was asked for. It was 3am in the morning and I had been out drinking up town.
Someone asked for an unedited clip. Not sure if they would classify that clip as unedited though.The first rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is.
The second rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is !!!!0 -
Does anyone know where I can watch the show because I missed it. The ITV site won't let me watch it for some reason - It says Im outside the UK (but I am in the UK) which is really annoying.The first rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is.
The second rule of cycling is - Tell everyone how great cycling is !!!!0
