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Who is Dr Death

SteveR_100MilersSteveR_100Milers Posts: 5,987
edited August 2007 in Training, fitness and health
Apart from being this forums mod, and being an A&E Doc, am genuinely interested as to why a you are the moderator for this forum? It's not a name I recognise from the other C+ forum, and therefore (but I could be very wrong here!) must be from the dark underworld of MTB. In which case, where is the relevance for ROAD training? (which isnt just about physiology)

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  • nicklousenicklouse Posts: 81,520 Lives Here
    he made a post in the MTB version ish of this fora. http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12536877 which might help?
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  • fossyantfossyant Posts: 2,549
    Blimey, a doctor....... and even has time to moderate a forum...........nutter ! Good on him !
  • Dr_DeathDr_Death Posts: 1,262
    Thought I'd start by re-posting this (saves you having to find it and me having to think of something new.)

    Seeing as how the foolish people in charge have let me moderate this bit of the forum I thought I should probably introduce myself..... some of you will already know me from the WMB forum but for those that don't:

    My name's Steve and I'm a senior(ish) A&E doctor in the North-East. I've had training in quite a few different specialties on the way to settling on A&E so I have a fairly broad background including orthopaedic, general and plastic surgery; intensive care; and general medicine. I have developed an interest in pre-hospital care and sports and exercise medicine and have attended several courses about both. I like to think that I have a decent amount of common sense as well.

    I have been biking since I was a kid but 'proper' mountain biking for the last 8-9 years, so I have either seen most of the injuries you can do to yourself at work, or have experienced them myself!! I also worked in a bike shop for three years whilst at medical school so can see things from both sides as it were.

    As you can see my background is from fairly conventional medicine so I tend to talk from that point of view. This doesn't mean that I ignore complementory medicine but I have to admit to being a bit sceptical about a lot of it..... However I'm always willing to learn.

    I see my job as mod not to delete anything I disagree with but just to remove anything that I consider downright dangerous. So, just because I don't think a certain supplement works I'm not gonna interfere with the thread unless someone suggests taking something poisonous.



    Then to answer your questions......

    Yes, I am from the dark underworld of MTB.
    Yes, I know that training isn't just about physiology but I also know that that applies equally to road and MTB training.
    No, I don't claim to be any sort of font of all knowledge about training for road or MTB. They just asked me to MOd to remove anything that is downright dangerous. I would like to think that I learn as much from the training forums as I contribute. In fact I have been finding your posts very informative so far.

    So, don't mind me. I'm not here to pretend to know all the answers about training and injuries. I'm just here to stop anyone killing anyone else. (much like my day job!).



    (Although I will endevour to find out the answers to any specific questions people might have.......)
    Steve

    Trust me, I'm a doctor!

    http://www.vimeo.com/DrDeath
  • EmergBikerEmergBiker Posts: 85
    Google and your links suggest that you are Steven Land, Senior House Officer in Emergency Medicine.

    Steven Land Senior House Officer Emergency Medicine 2007-04-07 17:48:47

    Do I get a prize for working out who you are, and what senior(ish) means??? ;-)

    S
    EmergBiker
  • EmergBiker wrote:
    Google and your links suggest that you are Steven Land, Senior House Officer in Emergency Medicine.

    Steven Land Senior House Officer Emergency Medicine 2007-04-07 17:48:47

    Do I get a prize for working out who you are, and what senior(ish) means??? ;-)

    S

    Internet stalker alert!! :wink:
  • EmergBikerEmergBiker Posts: 85
    Not a stalker as such :oops:

    However, Dr Death has claimed to be a senior doctor in emergency medicine, which if he is an SHO he is not (despite the origin of the acronym), I think senior doctor to most people will be consultant, specialist trainee or established GP. The latest round of trainee jobs started this week, so things may have changed, if so let us know. I know he put (ish) in, but what the hell is that supposed to mean.

    He has also offered a range of advice on a very broad range of topics and I think if people are going to listen to it, or indeed request it (as someone recently has on the subject of the post operative care of hernias) they should know how senior he is and also what his area of expertise actually is.

    Dr Death also declares that he has been on a number of courses, but does he have any sports or speciality specific qualifications?

    Dr Death will now doubt be aware of the fact that the GMC is very clear that a doctor should not practice outside their area of competency. He will no doubt also be aware that there may be issues of responsibility and liability if someone follows his advice and it goes wrong. Whilst you might argue that this is the case for anyone reading/writing on a message board it is not if you declare yourself as a senior doctor AND as a medical resource for the forum.

    http://gmc-uk.org/guidance/good_medical ... doctor.asp

    For clarity, safety, probity and security Dr Death should give us something more of what and who he is before we listen to what he has to say, I found his description of himself to be vague and potentially misleading.

    Having said that on looking at his past posts, (in my stalking capacity :? ) and IMHO, I think he gives good and comprehensive advice. However, I think the forum should really know who they are dealing with.

    S
    EmergBiker
  • HJ1976HJ1976 Posts: 205
    "For clarity, safety, probity and security Dr Death should give us something more of what and who he is before we listen to what he has to say, I found his description of himself to be vague and potentially misleading."

    Why should he? If as you both confirm he works in emergency medicine he must therefore be able to deal with a larger number of medical situations than some like my friend a consultant ortho surgeon who would never consider advising someone on something non-ortho!
  • hammeritehammerite Posts: 3,408
    Aren't most of us better off for receiving advice from a doctor? At least he would understand the basics, or can do some informed research into the field. Better off than getting advice from someone who has read an article on the internet, been in a similar position or had a mate who suffered from whatever.

    That said when I was a youth I went to the GP suffering from shin splints, his response to me was.......... "well you study A-level PE, you probably know more about it than me!"
  • EmergBikerEmergBiker Posts: 85
    HJ1976 wrote:
    "For clarity, safety, probity and security Dr Death should give us something more of what and who he is before we listen to what he has to say, I found his description of himself to be vague and potentially misleading."

    Why should he? If as you both confirm he works in emergency medicine he must therefore be able to deal with a larger number of medical situations than some like my friend a consultant ortho surgeon who would never consider advising someone on something non-ortho!

    Unwittingly, you make my point beautifully.

    Thanks

    S
    EmergBiker
  • BeaconRuthBeaconRuth Posts: 2,086
    I think the strange thing here is that a moderator is in any way claiming to be an 'expert'. I didn't think it was the role of a moderator to be a subject matter expert - I thought it was the role of a moderator to police the etiquette and behavioural standards of the forum users. If a moderator felt the need to introduce themselves and their role, I would have expected them to say things like "let's keep to the topic of Training" and "I don't want any abuse or foul language........"........... (not that any of that seems to be an issue).
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,692
    Morning all,

    Please note this line in Dr Death's original post:

    No, I don't claim to be any sort of font of all knowledge about training for road or MTB. They just asked me to Mod to remove anything that is downright dangerous.

    Dr Death approached us with a view to being a mod on the training forums - he doesn't claim to be able to hand out detailed advice on anything - he's a cyclist who's volunteering to stop people doing idiotic things if they discuss it on the forum. Which we thank him for.

    He's a forum mod with a medical background.
  • HJ1976HJ1976 Posts: 205
    EmergBiker wrote:
    HJ1976 wrote:
    "For clarity, safety, probity and security Dr Death should give us something more of what and who he is before we listen to what he has to say, I found his description of himself to be vague and potentially misleading."

    Why should he? If as you both confirm he works in emergency medicine he must therefore be able to deal with a larger number of medical situations than some like my friend a consultant ortho surgeon who would never consider advising someone on something non-ortho!

    Unwittingly, you make my point beautifully.

    Thanks

    S
    What by quoting the line that of yours that I 'disagreed' with.
    Which point exactly am I meant to have made?
    and again Why should he have to justify himself by listing his years of study/experience more than he already has?
  • Dr_DeathDr_Death Posts: 1,262
    edited July 2007
    EmergBiker wrote:
    However, Dr Death has claimed to be a senior doctor in emergency medicine, which if he is an SHO he is not (despite the origin of the acronym), I think senior doctor to most people will be consultant, specialist trainee or established GP. The latest round of trainee jobs started this week, so things may have changed, if so let us know. I know he put (ish) in, but what the hell is that supposed to mean.

    Dr Death also declares that he has been on a number of courses, but does he have any sports or speciality specific qualifications?

    AND as a medical resource for the forum.

    For clarity, safety, probity and security Dr Death should give us something more of what and who he is before we listen to what he has to say, I found his description of himself to be vague and potentially misleading.

    S

    i) OK so the google search throws up an old profile from doctors.net that still has me as an SHO.... I have now updated it so you can stop stressing. The reason I had not bothered to state my name, rank and number is coz' it usually means nothing to members of the public. I always introduce myself at work as 'one of the A&E doctors' coz' very few people know the difference in our ranks.

    ii) Lots thankyou but all with very boring titles that most people wouldn't ever need to understand.

    iii) When did I claim to be a medical resource for the forum??
    No, I don't claim to be any sort of font of all knowledge about training for road or MTB. They just asked me to Mod to remove anything that is downright dangerous. I would like to think that I learn as much from the training forums as I contribute.

    iv) I think I've probably told most people all they need to know..... I you don't want to listen to any advice I give then do the same as you would for any other advice - ignore it.
    Steve

    Trust me, I'm a doctor!

    http://www.vimeo.com/DrDeath
  • Dr_DeathDr_Death Posts: 1,262
    BeaconRuth wrote:
    I think the strange thing here is that a moderator is in any way claiming to be an 'expert'. I didn't think it was the role of a moderator to be a subject matter expert - I thought it was the role of a moderator to police the etiquette and behavioural standards of the forum users. If a moderator felt the need to introduce themselves and their role, I would have expected them to say things like "let's keep to the topic of Training" and "I don't want any abuse or foul language........"........... (not that any of that seems to be an issue).


    Never did claim to be an expert.......

    As you say the 'keeping to the matter in hand' and 'swearing' seems to be fine, that's why I didn't bother saying it. It's already in the forum rules. I see my role as a mod on here as slightly different anyway, yes I'll move stuff and delete swearing but I'll also stop people doing anything dangerous. That's what I offered to do and that's what the folks at bikeradar asked me to do. I don't see why it is such a big deal????
    Steve

    Trust me, I'm a doctor!

    http://www.vimeo.com/DrDeath
  • EmergBikerEmergBiker Posts: 85
    Dr Death, I'd find your grade and qualifications fascinating. Why not share them, surely there's nothing to hide?

    Oh, and I don't know about doctors.net, the information came from an on-line petition for MMC which you signed in April 2007 as an SHO.

    You ask us to trust you because you are a doctor.......I'm just interested to know what sort of doctor you really are, and why we should trust you?
    EmergBiker
  • Dr_DeathDr_Death Posts: 1,262
    you have mail
    Steve

    Trust me, I'm a doctor!

    http://www.vimeo.com/DrDeath
  • BeaconRuthBeaconRuth Posts: 2,086
    Dr_Death wrote:
    Never did claim to be an expert.......

    As you say the 'keeping to the matter in hand' and 'swearing' seems to be fine, that's why I didn't bother saying it. It's already in the forum rules. I see my role as a mod on here as slightly different anyway, yes I'll move stuff and delete swearing but I'll also stop people doing anything dangerous. That's what I offered to do and that's what the folks at bikeradar asked me to do. I don't see why it is such a big deal????
    It's not a big deal, I've no problem at all with you being a moderator.

    You didn't claim to be a training expert but you are saying you'll protect us from dangerous advice, so you are implicitly claiming to be a subject matter expert - otherwise how would you be able to protect us from danger? I've still not got a problem, though. I'll look forward to being protected from all the dangerous advice. :wink:
  • Dr_DeathDr_Death Posts: 1,262
    :lol:
    Steve

    Trust me, I'm a doctor!

    http://www.vimeo.com/DrDeath
  • Maybe I'm the only one who isn't quite so convinced that a registered member of our medical profession, gioverened as it should be with the same zealousness that the TdF now appears to be wrt to "appropriate" behaviour, would call themselves "Death". T'internet has surely moved on, which is the real Q in my OP......
  • L60NL60N Posts: 223
    Sprechen zie English?

    Anyway, i loved what Beaconruth wrote about looking forward to being protected from all the dangerous advice. Thats how I feel (in the same vein)

    Leon
  • SmeggersSmeggers Posts: 1,019
    Crikey, someone at least vaguley qualified to be dishing out advice in this forum puts their hand up and he gets flamed!

    Chapeau to Dr Death I say.
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  • hammeritehammerite Posts: 3,408
    Smeggers wrote:
    Crikey, someone at least vaguley qualified to be dishing out advice in this forum puts their hand up and he gets flamed!

    Chapeau to Dr Death I say.

    Agreed!

    I also use a running wesbite, one of the members is a keen runner and a GP. He doesn't claim to be an expert in any field (although he did specialise some of his studies in sports physiology), but he can apply his medical experience and his experience of being a runner.

    His advice is highly valuable, especially when so many people go to GPs with sports related injuries/problems and just get told to "rest for a couple of weeks". When really it's the last thing any of us want to do!!

    A lot of us have had experiences that we don't know the reason for, but try to help and give advice anyway. Someone with a scientific background who understands the processes involved but who has also had those experiences is extremely useful!!
  • Dr_DeathDr_Death Posts: 1,262
    Dr Death has been my nickname amongst the guys I ride with for about the last dozen years now, ever since I started med school. I see no reason to change it now just to keep people on an internet forum happy.

    Anyway I happen to know a Dr De'Ath and he hasn't changed his name. Nor have the Drs Love, Payne, or the urologist I know called Kok Thong.
    Steve

    Trust me, I'm a doctor!

    http://www.vimeo.com/DrDeath
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  • Thanks Steve, good to have you on board. I for one am more than happy with your qualifications in this context, and I think we should all view ourselves fortunate that you have agreed to spend the time and effort to moderate this forum. After all, many here post on "health" matters with no qualifications at all. This is is a bike forum, not a doctor's surgery. So quit griping.

    Now, can you recommend anything for manically depressed robots ?

    Marv
    What tree ? ...........

    Trek 8000 ZR XC hardtail.
  • domtylerdomtyler Posts: 2,648
    edited March 2011
    Thanks Steve, good to have you on board. I for one am more than happy with your qualifications in this context, and I think we should all view ourselves fortunate that you have agreed to spend the time and effort to moderate this forum. After all, many here post on "health" matters with no qualifications at all. This is is a bike forum, not a doctor's surgery. So quit griping.

    Now, can you recommend anything for manically depressed robots ?

    Marv

    Have you tried downing a bottle of 3 in 1? It really works![/b]
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  • lateraluslateralus Posts: 309
    domtyler wrote:
    Have you tried downing a bottle of 3 in 1? It really works![/b]

    Are you qualified to give advice to robots? :wink:
  • domtyler wrote:
    Have you tried downing a bottle of 3 in 1? It really works!

    It gives me the runs ! :)
    What tree ? ...........

    Trek 8000 ZR XC hardtail.
  • hevipedalhevipedal Posts: 2,475
    EmergBiker wrote:
    Google and your links suggest that you are ............., Senior House Officer in Emergency Medicine.


    S

    So who are you? Publish your details if you will.
    He didn't claim to be a senior doctor - he said senior (ish) which is a perfect description for an SHO - Senior House Officer.
    He's a moderator on the forum for safety and very clearly doens't make any claims as being some sort of guru.
    so get off your high horse.
    Hevipedal
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  • Dr_DeathDr_Death Posts: 1,262
    To be fair to him (and emergbiker and I discussed this off the forum) he was actually trying to do me a favour as well as being nosey :wink: . I don't think emergbiker will mind me telling you that he is a far more qualified doctor than I am..... So we can probably leave at that now fellas!?!?!?!
    Steve

    Trust me, I'm a doctor!

    http://www.vimeo.com/DrDeath
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