Decent locks for my situation

fossyant

You'll have to let us non-Londoners how it goes - just packed my job in and hoping to get something within 10 miles so I commute - in the past have always had indoors space to secure the bike.

Currently use a squire paramount, but it's a few years old and secures my best bike to the garage floor anchor at home - supposed to be a good lock (but how it compares to new ones I don't know).

My bikes don't generally get left anywhere, but if I go for a closer job, then full time commuting is back on - likely to be my training road bike or my MTB (with slicks and guards) !

ahediel

ahediel
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Where angels fear to tread


Posted Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:21 pm
If you want to see REAL theives being caught try

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WeEq_SxNRc

It is a trailer for ITV1 programme Gone in 60 Seconds Bike Crime Wave. Showing on ITV1 (London & South East) 7:30pm Next Tuesday 24.07.07 Sky Channel 993

There are 2 other trailers

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_wLq9F1LOE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ip5QoMFyi0

These details were listed an hour or so ago or www.bikeforums.net but have magically dispeared from that forum. Censorship, it would appear is alive and well on some other forums. Why they would not want their members to know is strange to say the least

fishyweb

I was unable to see the "Gone in 60 Seconds Bike Crime Wave" program last night, as I'm in the wrong area. Did anyone see it? Did they recommend any particular D-lock as worth having?

BentMikey

My missus bloody well went and stopped the TiVo from recording it.

ahediel

htttp:www.itvlocal.com/london/documenataries .

Has the whole programme on it

Hope that this helps

WyS

they basicly killed every lock.. inc my £100 abus city x and the dlock i use.

Recreated that vid i posted in c+ about the ny bike thiefs in london and nothing happened. bought a bike from brick lane and showed how to break cheap locks with hacksaws.

Did more bad than good i think.

All the lock manufacturers saying we meet stadards blah blah after they got £130 cut in seconds.

Time for the standards to be changed i think.

CaptainCropper

WyS wrote:

Time for the standards to be changed i think.

Halleluljah!!!!


When people like yourself start saying stuff like this, it makes my day. There are only three of us doing this, if the public pick up the ball and run with it, things WILL change because they HAVE to change.

WyS

self explanitory really.. the programs ppl killed £500 odd worth of locks in 90 seconds. All top rated. all the companys said was they meet current standards.

Surely they should have given the people who set the standards some stick on the show as well..

And the first lock tester :O smacking the hell out of a lock with a hammer, mashing up the bike. how would they sell a bike like that? haha

phil_ss1

Hi,

Been reading this thread with interest.

But isn't one blindingly obvious point being missed.....

What do you lock your precious steed and £££'s worth of locks actually to???

Some old knackered steel bar railings?
A small tree?
bolted down "cycle park"

All of these are probably then the easier target for the perps (t0$$ers that they are) to cut through/remove etc..

Ensure you have adequate insrurance, that includes all those expensive "extras" they try and wiggle out of paying for.

Phil

PrettyBoyTim

Thanks for the link to the online version of the documentary. Missed it last night, watched it today during my lunch hour.

I'm not sure calling for new bike lock standards will help that much. Manufacturers probably could make bike locks that nobody short of a demolitions expert could get through, but nobody would buy them because they'd be huge and probably weigh 30kg apiece.

Bike security is a compromise; you can't get 10kg of protection from a 1kg lock.

Makes me very glad we've got secure bicycle facilities here at work!

fishyweb

I watched this via the link as well - thanks. I can't believe that they didn't give the lock manufacturers a harder time. They should have been asked to specifically respond to the video footage of their mega-bucks products being breached so easily.

Totalnewbie

Bah I really wanted to see this and forgot it was on. And will not get away with watching at work!!

Were the bikes locked well - ie, with as much of the bike inside the lock as possible inc a wheel, or was it a case of D-locks through the top tube etc?

ahediel

fishyweb wrote:

I watched this via the link as well - thanks. I can't believe that they didn't give the lock manufacturers a harder time. They should have been asked to specifically respond to the video footage of their mega-bucks products being breached so easily.

They asked the manufacturers for their responses, and this is the reply they received got.

The problem lies with the testing bodies, passing locks and chains which can be breached in seconds. sold Secure test Motorcycle GOLD standard, states that they test with the Record 42" croppers. Attack time is 5 mins (The last 3 chains were Sold Secure GOLD/Thatcham approved for Motorcycles.) So in fact Sold Secure are claiming that they will withstand 5 mins with the bolt croppers which were used. The chains went in 3 seconds, 8 seconds and 11 seconds.

The acceditation on a security product, should only be given if the product is indeed secure. Correct me if I am wrong, but 22 seconds to beach 3 chains, does not come under the heading SECURE, gold or otherwise.

alfablue

Those chains look vulnerable. Note that with all the attacks the lower arm of the bolt cutters was on the floor allowing the full weight of the attacker to be put on the cutters - it suggests to me that the lock should go up around the top tube of the bike to avoid this - it also suggests to me that maybe top-end D (or U) locks are a better bet than chains - note they didn't attempt to cut the mini-D lock on the Fagedaboutit chain. Obviously positioning and minimising space within the lock will be important.

Cycling Plus's test on locks in May found the Abus Granit X Plus 54 took over one minute to cut with an angle grinder, but took 2 cuts to release it, as the square section U won't swivel when cut once. I wonder what Captaincropper would make of this lock???

CaptainCropper

alfablue wrote:

Those chains look vulnerable. Note that with all the attacks the lower arm of the bolt cutters was on the floor allowing the full weight of the attacker to be put on the cutters - it suggests to me that the lock should go up around the top tube of the bike to avoid this - it also suggests to me that maybe top-end D (or U) locks are a better bet than chains - note they didn't attempt to cut the mini-D lock on the Fagedaboutit chain. Obviously positioning and minimising space within the lock will be important.

Cycling Plus's test on locks in May found the Abus Granit X Plus 54 took over one minute to cut with an angle grinder, but took 2 cuts to release it, as the square section U won't swivel when cut once. I wonder what Captaincropper would make of this lock???

I prefer the 59 because it's 16mm shackle can't be cropped. The square design shackle is a top idea though and yes, you DO need to bust both sides to get the bike out (well I did on my EXPENSIVE 59).

Thumbs up from me for the Abus 59 that's for sure.