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jibi
jibi Posts: 857
edited July 2007 in Campaign
In your sig

Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."

Are you saying that is OK to cause erosion..

http://murl.se/26408

Guiding principles :number 3

Irresponsible behaviour should be discouraged, eg excessive speed, lack of consideration for others and cycling techniques which cause erosion.

Please stay to paths( bridleways), we have bad enough press as it is

george
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    do you not read poetry?

    and never heard of JMC ( a mountain biker) strange when i firt joined CP back in 2004 it was one of the first things members asked.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    Are you saying that is OK to cause erosion?

    george
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    i am not commenting on erosion.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail


    This seems like erosion to me

    george
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    maybe it is about life?
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    Unfortunately this is a cycling forum
    And to me it seems like you are, in your sig, advocating off road riding anywhere.

    Just a personal view

    I'll stick to bridleways.
    You go off and make new trails everywhere.
    There may be some on these forums that may see it as a sign that it is OK to go off trail.

    Responsibility comes with the territory.

    george
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    come to Sweden and Enjoy the right to roam.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    Some of us don't live in Sweden

    In fact I would go as far as to say most of us don't live in Sweden!

    So erosion is OK in Sweden?

    george
  • Big Red S
    Big Red S Posts: 26,890
    jibi wrote:
    Unfortunately this is a cycling forum
    And to me it seems like you are, in your sig, advocating off road riding anywhere.

    Or advocating building trails like at Afan?
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    edited July 2007
    Big Red S wrote:
    jibi wrote:
    Unfortunately this is a cycling forum
    And to me it seems like you are, in your sig, advocating off road riding anywhere.

    Or advocating building trails like at Afan?

    Were there no paths there before?

    goerge
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    so what is your problem with erosion?

    may i ask about pollution?

    while watching the starting stages of Le Tour i was supprised at the amount of vehicles that went with each rider, what was it 4 motor bikes and 2 cars.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    My problem is I am an MTB rider and a climber and a Fell walker
    Oh yes I tour on a bike too.
    Look at the links in my sig

    I see so many scars on this beautiful world.


    Think about it!!

    george
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Jibi i feel for you i do.

    i have also in the past climbed.

    and have walked most of the routes in the lakes and a few in the Pennines.

    But never riden the same trails.

    i also remember when scree running was acceptable.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • Big Red S
    Big Red S Posts: 26,890
    jibi wrote:
    Big Red S wrote:
    jibi wrote:
    Unfortunately this is a cycling forum
    And to me it seems like you are, in your sig, advocating off road riding anywhere.

    Or advocating building trails like at Afan?

    Were there no paths there before?

    Well someone, at some point, created them, didn't they?

    I certainly don't see mention of them in Genesis...
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    Are you saying that is OK to cause erosion..

    george
  • Big Red S
    Big Red S Posts: 26,890
    edited July 2007
    jibi wrote:
    Are you saying that is OK to cause erosion..

    I would say that erosion is rather inevitable. If not in the creation of new trails, the use of existing ones causes erosion of them, too. While this is not something to be aspired to, I don't really think that I can honestly say I'm massively against it. Surely in order to be opposed to erosion of all its forms, as you certainly imply you are, one must see past erosion as a bad thing also? Or does the fact that it has already happened mean it's fine?

    But please don't presume my opposition to your inappropriately literal interpretation of nick's signature means that I am particularly in favour of uneccesary erosion.
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    let me put it this way. you do not seem to be a "Gentleman who followed the well trodden path".

    take my Quote as you wish. but from what i have seen is seems to fit you well.

    i met a really interesting couple on the ferry from England to Sweden a few years back. they were planning on cycling as far north as they could in 3 weeks and then getting the train back. I often wonder how they got on. Nothing compared to your epic ride. respect i wish i had time to do something like that.

    Well maybe i could take a year some time. if the Gov. here don't change the rules too much.

    I will now raise a glass of 18 year old Highland Park and bid you good night.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • mr_hippo
    mr_hippo Posts: 1,051
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail" is a quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson (American Poet, Lecturer and Essayist, 1803-1882) and I don't think that he was talking about mountain biking!

    Whatever course you decide upon, there is always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising which tempt you to believe that your critics are right. To map out a course of action and follow it to an end requires courage.
  • nicklouse wrote:
    may i ask about pollution?

    while watching the starting stages of Le Tour i was supprised at the amount of vehicles that went with each rider, what was it 4 motor bikes and 2 cars.

    Climate change - Roadies are to blame!
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    no.

    buit why do they need so many vehicles to chase/follow/control/filml one bike. please explain that.

    is not one enough, to film the rider?
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • nicklouse wrote:
    no.

    buit why do they need so many vehicles to chase/follow/control/filml one bike. please explain that.

    is not one enough, to film the rider?

    well, is one not enough to film LOTS of riders surely...

    not only that the cars are beginning to get in the way, a rider crashed into one:
    http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_ ... 783C319680
    not sure whether it was the same incident but I saw a pile-up on the news on telly last night that was apparently caused by 'support' cars.

    reminds me of the alan partridge quote in an early 'the day today':
    "and SURELY the judges will come down like a ton of bricks on that - yes, YES! the chap carrying bikes on top of a car has been disqaulified."
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Bonj i was on about the Prologue(?)

    and crashes with suport cars and camera MC's seem to be way too many.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • nicklouse wrote:
    Bonj i was on about the Prologue(?)

    oh I see what you mean, i.e. the bit where it's like qualifiying stages where they only have one at once.
    I saw somewhere that on the london to kent bit they were setting off at 60 second intervals.
  • Rob Sallnow
    Rob Sallnow Posts: 6,279
    What have crashes got to do with nicklouse's signature?
    I'd rather walk than use Shimano
  • L60N
    L60N Posts: 223
    This topic was designed to intice Nick into an unneccessary arguement. Congrats to Nick for not biting and steering it off. Please dont try to bring it back round :(

    Leon
  • jibi
    jibi Posts: 857
    quote
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    This topic was designed to intice Nick into an unneccessary arguement. Congrats to Nick for not biting and steering it off. Please dont try to bring it back round Sad

    Leon
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    nicklouse wrote:
    let me put it this way. you do not seem to be a "Gentleman who followed the well trodden path".

    take my Quote as you wish. but from what i have seen is seems to fit you well.

    i met a really interesting couple on the ferry from England to Sweden a few years back. they were planning on cycling as far north as they could in 3 weeks and then getting the train back. I often wonder how they got on. Nothing compared to your epic ride. respect i wish i had time to do something like that.

    Well maybe i could take a year some time. if the Gov. here don't change the rules too much.

    I will now raise a glass of 18 year old Highland Park and bid you good night.
    ______________________________________

    I assure you it was not intended to entice anyone into an argument, and Nick and I didn't have one.
    I thought I made a valid point and Nick explained his sig.
    and as you can see from the above quote from Nick no harm was done.

    But you can see it is possible to read what you may into words seen on a monitor.

    cheers

    george
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    which is why i love and hate the written word.

    love it for the images it can create in the imagination.
    hate it for being not as eloquent as others. (maybe the wrong word for a writen forum).
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • L60N
    L60N Posts: 223
    If i misundestood you jibi then i apologise.

    I noted another thread "who is nick louse" which seemed to be all about having a go at him, and felt some "anti nick" seniment. I thought this was running on similar lines.

    Again, apologies if i misundestood. quote "you still havnt answered my question".. I obviously misundestood your directness as confrontational.

    Leon
  • Yorkshireman
    Yorkshireman Posts: 999
    nicklouse wrote:
    which is why i love and hate the written word.

    love it for the images it can create in the imagination.
    hate it for being not as eloquent as others. (maybe the wrong word for a writen forum).
    One of the problems with the `written` word is that one can`t hear the `tone` of voice or see the facial expresion - Thats where the :wink: etc comes in handy. I have commentated on your apparent `attitude` re some of your replies on here, and if I have misunderstood you I`m sorry (I try to be constructive rather than launch a personal attack). I realise that you probably have your work cut out with the `problems` on here at the moment and hope that everyones efforts will be worth it in the end :) .
    Colin N.


    Lincolnshire is mostly flat... but the wind is mostly in your face!
  • SJ
    SJ Posts: 2,871
    jibi wrote:
    My problem is I am an MTB rider and a climber and a c*nt.
    Oh yes I tour on a bike too.
    Look at the links in my sig

    I see so many scars on this beautiful world.


    Think about it!!

    george
    a dirtbag of the most delightful variety