Interesting Phenomenon

Paul Lavery · June 2007

I've noticed recently that drivers appear to be so fixated on passing me that they fail to realise that they're fast approaching a queue of standing traffic. [:D]

This has happened a few times now on my commute home. It's very amusing when it does happen and brightens my day. [}:)] Last time, there was rubber smoke everywhere. [:D]

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Unknown · June 2007

Have you checked that your shorts are fully covering your, ahem, modesty? [;)]

halfords wizzkid · June 2007

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urrrrrrrrrs · June 2007

paul,

where in NZ are you ?.i was on holiday there at the beginning of the year and was in Christchurch, arrived at 5pm at the hotel in Cathederal Square and there was no traffic at all !!! when i ventured out nothing on the roads !!!!

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Paul Lavery · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by andyp

Have you checked that your shorts are fully covering your, ahem, modesty? [;)]
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I haven't heard any obvious laughter! Maybe they're checking me out? [:p]

Ok, maybe not! [V]

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DavidTQ · June 2007

I was cut up quite badly by a transit overtaking coming off a round about (two lanes) I was in primary in the first lane, he overtook in the second lane, and cut in REALLY badly in his hurry to get in front of the bike, straight into the stationery traffic in advance of the two lanes mergeing, I was a very short distance from the beginning of a handy cycle lane, as soon as he was stationery I shot down the inside of him into the cycle lane next time I saw him was about 5 miles down the road I had recently turned right off the main road and was on a road along the side of a big hill, where youve got a clear view of the main road, and there he was still about level with me, so how much time did he gain with his dangerous manouvre, how much would it have held him up to sit back for a second when approaching queues?

Perhaps the karma got him and he got held up more at traffic lights?

dondare · June 2007

Last thursday I was overtaken by a large, grey van with no margin for safety at all. This was really bad for three reasons: he had room to move out further and pass safely; he didn't need to overtake since the traffic was stationary just yards ahead so he had to stop as soon as he'd passed me; he was towing a trailer that was wider than the van and would have wiped me out if I'd kept going straight. I noticed this just in time and cut for the kerb.
I think that this sort of behaviour is one of the results of cyclists antagonizing motorists which is why I'm paticularly anti rljing at the moment.

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domtyler · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare
Last thursday I was overtaken by a large, grey van with no margin for safety at all. This was really bad for three reasons: he had room to move out further and pass safely; he didn't need to overtake since the traffic was stationary just yards ahead so he had to stop as soon as he'd passed me; he was towing a trailer that was wider than the van and would have wiped me out if I'd kept going straight. I noticed this just in time and cut for the kerb.
I think that this sort of behaviour is one of the results of cyclists antagonizing motorists which is why I'm paticularly anti rljing at the moment.

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I think you are completely deluded. If you think that if all RLJing stopped today, of which there is very little anyway that I see, that all motor vehicle operators would suddenly start to respect cyclists, well forgive my language but you are off your f***ing trolley. You are clearly being guided by your emotions rather than thinking things through clearly and logically which is where you come unstuck.

My personal analysis of your incident, going purely by your description, would be that the driver was a brainless tw@t, his only qualification being his driving license, he drives in an extremely aggressive and intimidating manner all the time. He has little respect for fellow road users be they on bikes or in cars, preferring to use the power inferred to him by his large vehicle to bully others. In short, Pond Life.

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dondare · June 2007

If all cyclists started behaving themselves with absolute correctitude right now, it would take many months, probably years before the antagonism and prejudice that has built up as a result of lycra-loutishness disappeared. But if lycra louts remain defiant then it will continue to build up. And I'd like things to get better in future, even if's a slow process, than get worse.

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domtyler · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare
If all cyclists started behaving themselves with absolute correctitude right now, it would take many months, probably years before the antagonism and prejudice that has built up as a result of lycra-loutishness disappeared. But if lycra louts remain defiant then it will continue to build up. And I'd like things to get better in future, even if's a slow process, than get worse.

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Yor a idiot.

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dondare · June 2007

What don't you accept?

Don't you realize that rljing and pavement-riding do actually anger motorists and pedestrians?

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domtyler · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare
What don't you accept?

Don't you realize that rljing and pavement-riding do actually anger motorists and pedestrians?

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That I do realise. It is that you assume this is why cyclists frequently get rough treatment from vehicle operators that is absurd. You are making the age old mistake of confusing cause and correlation.

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dondare · June 2007

If you provoke someone they might react with violence.

It is not the only reason why cyclists sometimes get targeted, but it is a reason.

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Ghost Donkey · June 2007

This started as such a happy thread [;)].

domtyler · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ghost Donkey
This started as such a happy thread [;)].
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Until a certain someone went and ruined it with this:

"I think that this sort of behaviour is one of the results of cyclists antagonizing motorists which is why I'm paticularly anti rljing at the moment." [;)]

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purpleR · June 2007

Happens to me quite often in Edinburgh, particularly when there are traffic works around and lanes are narrowed. Road works seem to instil a sense of panic into some drivers and it makes their usual urge to barge past irresistible...

For example, when South Bridge water mains were getting replaced a few months ago, and there were always hold-ups at the junction with Chambers Street.

An overtaking car had to stop alongside me there at red, but had drifted across into the northbound lane (there was no-where for me to go) and a bus turning left from Chambers St got stuck. Cue much shrugging from the bus driver - luckily he'd seen it wasnae my fault (likesay).

Not malicious, just a bit dense.

belgiangoth · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare
Don't you realize that rljing and pavement-riding do actually anger motorists and pedestrians?
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True but crossing the road at a zebra crossing angers motorists, being on the road and slowing them down by 10mph angers motorists, speed limits anger motorists. The truth is that motorists don't THINK, which is why it's a flawed idea to say that motorists associate a cyclist RLJing with their attitude towards overtaking. Driving is very simple and requires no thought
* vehicle in front of you going slower than you, overtake
* drive as fast as possible

In both cases it's unimportant whether the fast driving will just get them to a red light faster, or the vehicle in front of them is simply slowing down in advance for some other obstacle.

Drivers don't think, stop pretending that they do.

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cupofteacp · June 2007

So the old guy who was pushed of his bike by a passenger in a car was hurt because the passenger was upset by RLJing or some other cyclist behaviour?

Wow, I thought it was because he was defenceless and they thought it was funny

There you go all motorist are lovely people and if they ever misbehave it's because cyclist annoy them, with there bad cycling, not the fact that their not looking and don't care about us as we're only on little bikes.

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mazcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by belgiangoth
Drivers don't think, stop pretending that they do.
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Some of us do.

Hackbike 6 · June 2007

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dondare

If all cyclists started behaving themselves with absolute correctitude right now, it would take many months, probably years before the antagonism and prejudice that has built up as a result of lycra-loutishness disappeared. But if lycra louts remain defiant then it will continue to build up. And I'd like things to get better in future, even if's a slow process, than get worse.

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Yor a idiot.

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You don't seem to have any manners on this board.

Do you rlj as well?[|)]

What is the big deal about following the road rules?

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domtyler · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Hackbike 6

You don't seem to have any manners on this board.

Do you rlj as well?[|)]

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That's a bit rich from someone whose only contribution is to continuously and monotonously slag off other cyclists and pedestrians.

I do not regularly jump red lights although I have done and continue to reserve the right do so when I feel it is in the interest of my safety or the road is completely empty etc. In general I think it is not a good thing to do. What gets my goat is the "Sanctimony set" continuously banging on about it. It is so boring, don't you know that?

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

That's a bit rich from someone whose only contribution is to continuously and monotonously slag off other cyclists and pedestrians.

Yes for a reason.Is that breaking the law?

Only the other day I went through the junction at the Bakers Arms in heavy traffic only to find myself on a collision course with a moron rlj going the other way so why shouldn't I have a go if moron cyclists and peds endanger me in the same way as other cyclists have a go about motorists who endanger them?

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Buggi · June 2007

it's nothing to do with how cyclists ride on pavement/RJL/use or don't use cycle paths.

it's all down to bad education for drivers. i think during driving lessons it should be drummed into drivers that cyclists have a RIGHT to use the road. and the test needs to include a whole section on how to behave around cyclists. get the message into the brain early on in the process. and then, ongoing, prosecute bad driving around cyclists and give out proper sentences.

no amount of cycle lanes are going to encourage people on to their bikes. making drivers responsible for their actions is.

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

Is motorist behaviour bad in Birmingham Buggi?

Generally in London I have very few problems with motorists.Generally peds are the biggest danger.[v]

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domtyler · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Hackbike 6

Generally in London I have very few problems with motorists.Generally peds are the biggest danger.[v]
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This is because you hide in the gutter bringing you into conflict with pedestrians while avoiding motor traffic.

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steviesch · June 2007

1/2 an hour on a pushbike as part of the driving test might be a good plan! it might assist in improving the health of the nation as well as improving road safety!
OTOH - check out london cabbies - I believe that all that time on little mopeds "doing the Knowledge" has left many with such a massive persecution complex that they hate everything else on the road....with all due respect to all tree hugging,lovable,affable cheeky chappies and chappesses who are clearly excluded from this sweeping slur on the good name of taxi driving...sarf of the river at his time of night ...you must be bleedin' jokin' mate...be lucky...

d_c · June 2007

The kind of motorists that pull the manouevres we are talking about are not thinking at all in particular about getting back at rlj'ing cyclists. In fact they are probably not thinking very much at all. They mostly seem to be reacting to some kind of ego thing about not letting themselves be overtaken by anyone - and in particular by anyone who they perceive as being slower than they think they are.

-> flow with the go ->

Hackbike 6 · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by domtyler

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Hackbike 6

Generally in London I have very few problems with motorists.Generally peds are the biggest danger.[v]
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This is because you hide in the gutter bringing you into conflict with pedestrians while avoiding motor traffic.

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That's what you assume.You haven't actually got a clue about what brings me in conflict with pedestrians because you aren't riding my bike I am.You don't ride my route and you don't ride at the vastly different times to what I do.So until you do don't post so much assuming crap in to what brings me into conflict with pedestrians.

You know nothing about my commute.You are just making unfair accusations.

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domtyler · June 2007

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That's what you assume.You haven't actually got a clue about what brings me in conflict with pedestrians because you aren't riding my bike I am.You don't ride my route and you don't ride at the vastly different times to what I do.So until you do don't post so much assuming crap in to what brings me into conflict with pedestrians.

You know nothing about my commute.You are just making unfair accusations.

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Hackbike 6 · June 2007

Yes but you know nothing about my near misses that's the point im trying to make.

You seem to assume that because I ride so near the pavement that my conflicts are from that side of the pavement when they are not.Except for Tower Bridge 1991 and probably heavy traffic which would probably be obvious anyway.

Believe me I do know the dangers of peds being too close to the road from that side.

Last years collision was from three peds who ran into me from the middle of the road and I got injured and the bike got scrapped.

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rgisme · June 2007

The idea that 'motorists' as a group are aggressive towards cyclists because they RLJ or break other rules is complete and utter bollocks, IMO. The vast majority are not deliberately aggressive at all, and to the extent that they endanger cyclists through their manner of driving it is due simply to carelessnes and poor driving skills. They do not want to have an accident. It would spoil their day, cause delay and risk loss of their NCB. To the extent that RLJing does cause them some irritation it is not because they have a rigid rod up their arse that makes them condemn all law breaking, since they know they break laws when they can get away with it too, it is simply that if they did have an accident as a result of an RLJ it would cause them inconvenience. Perhaps they also think it is a bit unfair that they have to wait, along with all the other 'unfair' things they have to put up with like ever increasing taxes and fines that also irritate them.

Those that do things deliberately using their cars as weapons are criminals with a criminal mentality who get their kicks from brutal behaviour against others weaker and more vulnerable than themselves. That also has nothing to do with RLJing.

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