Sporting Wages

Melvil · June 2007

...because footballer's wages make me feel a little physically sick. Some of them don't even earn their money on the pitch. They just sit on the bench for half a season doing nothing. Some domestiques on the tour work harder in two weeks than footballers do all season and they get paid a fraction...

So, what sport would you like to see the highest wages paid out to its participants and which sport the lowest?

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Buggi · June 2007

does shopping count?? [:D]

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philip99a · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Buggi

does shopping count?? [:D]

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Or obscenely extravagent weddings (all presumably pre-sold to Hello mag or similar trash so more chavettes can aspire to similar....rant rant)

BBC
Three England football stars have married their girlfriends in a series of lavish ceremonies.
Manchester United's Gary Neville married girlfriend Emma Hadfield at Manchester Cathedral, in front of some of the game's biggest names.

Hundreds of well-wishers (<<more like envious, aspirant, no-hope gawping pond-life tw@ts. G*d this has got me going! And I love watching football!!>>) gathered outside to cheer as they arrived.

Earlier, Liverpool's Steven Gerrard wed Alex Curran at Cliveden House Hotel, and Neville's team-mate Michael Carrick wed Lisa Roughead near Melton Mowbray.

On Friday, England captain John Terry married Toni Poole at Blenheim Palace in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, in an event believed to have cost almost œ1m.

Full sick story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6759285.stm

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Joe Sacco · June 2007

If the domestiques want more money they should have gone into football I suppose.

The money is just a nice to have, people were still playing football passionately before the wages were good, pre 1970's, weren't they?

You either choose a sport for money or choose it because you like it, either way it will take a lot of effort to get to the top!

Unknown · June 2007

You're worth whatever someone is prepared to pay you. Football generates more money than cycling, so there is more money to spend on wages. Nobody in any profession gets paid on the basis of how hard they work.

Nobody ever got laid because they were using Shimano

Spawn of Cabbie · June 2007

Cycling fan in having pop at footballers shocker!

Football has always drawn a lot of money, except it used to go into the pockets of the chairman and now it goes into the pocket of those who draw the crowds. So young men get very rich, very quickly and spend it on stuff you don't like.

So what? Get over it.

Melvil · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Spawn of Cabbie

Cycling fan in having pop at footballers shocker!

Football has always drawn a lot of money, except it used to go into the pockets of the chairman and now it goes into the pocket of those who draw the crowds. So young men get very rich, very quickly and spend it on stuff you don't like.

So what? Get over it.
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Now, Spawn, are you in any way, at all, possibly biased? [;)] (Well, hey, at least we support the same team).

And some of the stuff they spend their money on is pretty cool...I wonder if any of them own nice bikes?

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Spawn of Cabbie · June 2007

Melvil - you are a man of outstanding taste and judgement.

I suppose I am a bit biased as football is my number one sport. And I suppose I'm a little hypocritical as I got very annoyed when Ashley Cole decided 55k a week wasn't enough for him.

I also love cycling and as such my well of sympathy for people who make their living, however meagre, from sport is not the deepest.

They don't get forced into it and when they start off they probably dream of being a grand tour winner with the fame and fortune that brings. I don't make any distinction between domestiques earning a living and lower division footballers.

Garybee · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Smokin Joe

You're worth whatever someone is prepared to pay you. Football generates more money than cycling, so there is more money to spend on wages. Nobody in any profession gets paid on the basis of how hard they work.
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Thank christ for that, I wouldn't be able to afford to feed and clothe myself if I did.

Hypocrisy is only a bad thing in other people.

Cannock Chase · June 2007

Football for the lowest
Naked Womens Mud Wrestling for the highest

I'm not getting old...I'm just getting more stupid...

ankev1 · June 2007

Wage policies have been shown to be a failure but I wonder if an exception should be made for sport? If the top wage in any sport were to be limited to a thousand pounds a week, it would mean that people were being very generously rewarded for doing something which after all is no more than their hobby. It might also help take the pressure off sportsmen to cheat. The very concept of professional sport is dubious: paying people to play games? When you think about it, it could be one of the biggest examples of the Emperor's New Clothes in cultural history and we haven't even noticed it!

Davs1 · June 2007

I once knew a chap who was 155th inthe World Tennis rankings.

He was GUARANTEED a minimum of œ150k per annum. This was over 10 years ago. Now, to me, œ150k for being [in professional terms] not very good a tennis is obscene.

If it ain't fixed, it's broken

Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ankev1

Wage policies have been shown to be a failure but I wonder if an exception should be made for sport? If the top wage in any sport were to be limited to a thousand pounds a week, it would mean that people were being very generously rewarded for doing something which after all is no more than their hobby. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

It would also mean more cash payments, bungs, "overseas earnings" etc. We'ed also find that the whole of the Premiership was suddenly domiciled abroad. It simply wouldn't work.

redcogs · June 2007

A just world would outlaw wages for sport.

Sport and sporting competition would become more widespread, 'amatuer' status would prevail, and excellence of individual achievement would not be rewarded with the corrupting and exotic lifestyles associated with wealth.

Excellence of individual achievement would not be discouraged, on the contrary, but it would simply be recognised as an integral part of the human condition, of passing note, of no great significance by comparison with the more serious aspects of living life as part of a society seeking to fulfill human needs.

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Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redcogs

A just world would outlaw wages for sport.

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Wouldn't this be somewhat unfair to those whose only ability is sport?

redcogs · June 2007

Who they?

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Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redcogs

Who they?

please look up to the stars.. ***
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Certain Premiership footballers give the impression that if they weren't kicking a ball for profit, they'd be flipping burgers.

redcogs · June 2007

Flipping burgers is not without value though is it?

Its under regarded and under rewarded in a world where we have a strange and perverted view of what or who is important don't you think?

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Unknown · June 2007

Sportsmen are paid from the money they generate. If The Premiership went amateur tomorrow and the players played for love with entrance fees to the grounds only covering upkeep, there would be no more money to re-distribute to the needy because it wouldn't be generated in the first place.

And a lot of people who make their money through the game - not just on the pitch - would be out of work.

Nobody ever got laid because they were using Shimano

Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redcogs

Flipping burgers is not without value though is it?

Its under regarded and under rewarded in a world where we have a strange and perverted view of what or who is important don't you think?

please look up to the stars.. ***
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Well, I'm not so sure that I'd put supplying "lips 'n ears" in saturated animal fats to the already obese, as being particularly high on the list of human achievements. However, I'm interested to know how you'd be paying people in this brave new Socialist world? Would everyone be paid the same? Or would a surgeon be paid more than a hairdresser?

Russell_john · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redcogs

A just world would outlaw wages for sport.

Sport and sporting competition would become more widespread, 'amatuer' status would prevail, and excellence of individual achievement would not be rewarded with the corrupting and exotic lifestyles associated with wealth.

Excellence of individual achievement would not be discouraged, on the contrary, but it would simply be recognised as an integral part of the human condition, of passing note, of no great significance by comparison with the more serious aspects of living life as part of a society seeking to fulfill human needs.

please look up to the stars.. ***
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perhaps we could start this 'revolution' with professional cycling, a sport that for years has had the reputation for being about as 'drugged up' as the Poppy fields of Afghanistan.

Would it be so attractive to those wanting to race to know that their efforts were worth no more than a tin trophy and a plaque on the wall?

Nowt wrong with professional football, arguably the worlds most popular sport deserves that its most popular and famous players get paid high wages. Next you'll be complaining that the paying of city bonuses is morally bankrupt and offend the masses....

On a more serious note how do you propose that those seeking 'excellence in human achievement' feed and water themseleves and their families? Should the state pay? Perhaps we could have a means tested sliding scale of achievement?

are they wibbin me Centurwion?

redcogs · June 2007

i like to dream of a world where the technological advances of modern science have been harnessed to the needs of our population. When a classless society has arrived, and wealth inequalities have been eliminated, and the mills factories and offices are democratically controlled and planned by the workforce, then, once the enormous improvements in the general wealth of society come into stream, we can all work out which aspects of society need encouragement and nurture them accordingly. It could be, eventually, that sporting activity takes the ascendant, but the initial priority would obviously be general health, people's wellbeing, quality homes, shorter working hours and greatly reduced working lives, so that 'retirement' doesn't signal the onset of a mere existence scrapheap, but a desirable liberation from necessary toil.

Marx had a general principle worthy of support - 'From each, according to ability, to each, according to need'.

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Edited to take Unkraut's grammatical point into account.

Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redcogs

Marx had a general principle worthy of support - 'From each, according to ability, to each, according to need'.

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Actually, this is being implemented this week by the private equity/hedge fund people. One of them said he found it embarrassing that he only pays tax at 10% because of their special arrangement while the office cleaner is paying tax at over twice that. So, they're going to volunteer to pay tax at the same rate as everyone else.[:)] So there is good in Capitalism after all. [;)]

Melvil · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Patrick Stevens

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by redcogs

Marx had a general principle worthy of support - 'From each, according to ability, to each, according to need'.

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Actually, this is being implemented this week by the private equity/hedge fund people. One of them said he found it embarrassing that he only pays tax at 10% because of their special arrangement while the office cleaner is paying tax at over twice that. So, they're going to volunteer to pay tax at the same rate as everyone else.[:)] So there is good in Capitalism after all. [;)]
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[Cynical mode] Or perhaps they are jumping before they are pushed? [/Cynical mode]

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Spawn of Cabbie · June 2007

Is this redcogs joker a real person or just an Internet character?

Joe Sacco · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Spawn of Cabbie

Is this redcogs joker a real person or just an Internet character?
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Don't know, but he is making the classic socialist mistake of assuming he knows what is best for everyone. And that everyone would be happier if the average earnings were less and the country was less competitive just becuase he doesn't want some people to be richer than others.

Unkraut · June 2007

I think he is making the classic socialist mistake of assuming that everyone is 'equal', and should therefore have equal earnings - or at least within a very narrow margin of difference. But you don't have to be a socialist to see that the present system breeds unjust levels of inequality, and want to do something to act against excessive amounts going to those who have never really earned them. Footballers being a case in point.

I don't think, redcogs, that you actually meant to say "shorter working hours and lives" [:D]

Joe Sacco · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Unkraut

I think he is making the classic socialist mistake of assuming that everyone is 'equal', and should therefore have equal earnings - or at least within a very narrow margin of difference. But you don't have to be a socialist to see that the present system breeds unjust levels of inequality, and want to do something to act against excessive amounts going to those who have never really earned them. Footballers being a case in point.

I don't think, redcogs, that you actually meant to say "shorter working hours and lives" [:D]
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And that is where it all goes wrong, people are not equal and never will be. Holding back the people who want to achieve more is not good for them or the countries economy (therefore impacting those lower acheivers that live in the poorer country)

Spawn of Cabbie · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">do something to act against excessive amounts going to those who have never really earned them. Footballers being a case in point.
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Just because footballers are lairy chavs who spend their money on Ferraris and white suits, does not mean they don't earn it.

I never see any pops at golfers on here, who earn about ten times as much as footballers and then spend it on Lear Jets.

The Bosscp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Spawn of Cabbie

Is this redcogs joker a real person or just an Internet character?
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nah I think he genuinely is just a raging commie.

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Spawn of Cabbie · June 2007

What a miserable existence it must be!

Turning every conversation to Marxism until the only people who bother replying are other Marxists who always agree with you!

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