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KOGAN · June 2007

....tries to average the same speed up a hill for instance how ever hard a hill i always try to average over 16mph.

is this a good way to improve climbing!???

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domtyler · June 2007

What do you think?

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chriswcp · June 2007

If you can do 16mph up a hill then it isn't a hill, it's a slight slope.

Booboocp · June 2007

Hey Chris, get him on some of your local rides! [:p]

Or how about a nice trip to Yorkshire... [:o)]

Joking aside, what do you term as a hill Kogan?

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KOGAN · June 2007

1:8 climb sort of thing constitutes a hill

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celbianchi · June 2007

16mph up a 12% gradient is not really sustainable over anything more than a very short sprint in my experience. I take it we are talking a 100m click and mothing longer

Ben

jpembrokecp · June 2007

You need to be racing at Pro level mate. Seriously. You'd probably win Tour of Flanders for a start.

well, yes and no......but mainly no.

chriswcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by KOGAN

1:8 climb sort of thing constitutes a hill

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So going over a speed bump is a hill then?[:)]

You're having a larf, if you do 16mph over a 1 in 8 hill then...

Mind I didn't believe that people could manage 20mph av. speed on training runs then I was flooded with replies of I can, I can, I can, so what do I know.

oldwelshman · June 2007

In the races I have been in, for really steep hills they generally go from 5 to 7 mph, then for normal hills 7mph to 14mph, for drags from 14mph to about 20mph, but not average of 16mph os 1:8, only if its about 200m [:D]

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Toks · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by KOGAN

1:8 climb sort of thing constitutes a hill

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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">D, I've got to agree with everyone else. Even a really skinny (63kg/140lb) strong 2nd cat racer would struggle to hold 16mph much beyond 15-20secs. In terms of power you're talking an average of roughly 750watts for the duration[:)]

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cervelorider · June 2007

Kogan, you need to consider the amount of time you're maintaining an intensity in order to quantify it.
IOW, how long are you able to hold 16mph on a 1:8 grade climb for?

jpembrokecp · June 2007

Rodborough Hill from Stroud to Rodborough Comon in Gloucestershire would be a useful test. About a mile long and 12%. I would happily donate œ50 to the charity of your choice if you could maintain 16mph up it.

well, yes and no......but mainly no.

KOGAN · June 2007

ok this 1:8 is about 30 seconds at the end of a 3 min hill. usually i try and keep in the saddle and spin up and at the start of the hill for the first few hundred metres i try and keep to about 18mph and then the 1:8 starts and generally i dont drop below 23km/h (about 14mph) so ok not usually 16mph.

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celbianchi · June 2007

Daniel - I still think your climbing is excellent given your additional information. As a bit of context, I am a reasonable 3rd cat, weigh around 11st 6, 5'9. On a training ride today i rode part of a really steep climb as follows:

I do ok in hilly races and usually finish top 5 in hill climbs at the end of the year. The average power of 460 watts for context, my threshold is around 340 watts.

Duration: 1:00
Work: 28 kJ
TSS: 3.3 (intensity factor 1.413)

Distance: 820 ft
Elevation Gain: 92 ft
Elevation Loss: 0 ft
Grade: 12.3 % (101 ft)
Min Max Avg
Power: 392 526 460 watts
Speed: 7.9 11.2 9.3 mph
Pace 5:22 7:36 6:25 min/mi
Altitude: 11 103 57 ft

Ben

KOGAN · June 2007

cheers Ben, climbing is my strong point (hopefully it should help me in the junior tour of wales) i hope to do the national hill climb champs at the end of the year as well.

how do you conduct a maximum threshold test?

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celbianchi · June 2007

Daniel,
the way I did it was to follow Hunter Allan's protocol available at cyclepeaks.com.

Basically it involve a longish warm up with a couple of 5 min maximal efforts. Then you had to beast yourself as hard as you can for 20 minutes. Your average wattage for this period minus a samll percentage is deemed to be your functional threshold power that you can hold for an hour.
It is a pretty good test and when I am in France doing some of the long climbs it is a good way to pace yourself. Similarly useful for testers i guess to pace themself over a TT.

Info available here: you might find it intersting Daniel. Are you riding for Gelndene this year?
http://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com/power411/howto.asp

Ben

KOGAN · June 2007

hi Ben

Cheers for that. yes i am in the glendene junior squad this year but results have been a bit thin with only one good national performance so far. hopefully the next few nationals will be better.

thanks

Daniel

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Unknown · June 2007

Kogan you're lucky not to have riden the junior crit on Saturday in Curborough. It was a stupidly technical course with constant crashes! cos of oil and rain all over the circuit. I didn't finish along with half of the field!
Will be seeing you at the Junior tour of Wales (challenging you in the mountains

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KOGAN · June 2007

hi Jonathan

yeah i heard it was bad my team didnt ride well either. i decided to do a 4 hour ride instead.

yeah tour of wales should be good. looking forward to it. Good luck for the mountains they are tough.

who do you ride for?

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Unknown · June 2007

just ride for my club - Port Talbot Wheelers but am hoping to get into the Welsh team if i have a good Ras de Cymru now in the next few weeks which is a race in the same area as the Tour of Wales (but longer)

term1te · June 2007

I have one of those VDO cycle computers which measures altitude and gradient. I aim to keep my speed in km/h plus gradient, as a %, above 20. Probably not too challenging for some of you guys, but keeps me focused on the long drags with gradients in the teens we have around here.

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yenrodcp · June 2007

i thought the deal with hills was to change down to compensate for the invcline that would slow you down - if you could [?]

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by KOGAN

....tries to average the same speed up a hill for instance how ever hard a hill i always try to average over 16mph.

is this a good way to improve climbing!???

cheers

Kogan

check out my new site
www.freewebs.com/danielkogan
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[;)] 'tuono nel mio cuore...[:)]

Mark.Scp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jonathan15

just ride for my club - Port Talbot Wheelers but am hoping to get into the Welsh team if i have a good Ras de Cymru now in the next few weeks which is a race in the same area as the Tour of Wales (but longer)
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r u riding the wasp road race then, considering it is local to u?

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Unknown · June 2007

"r u riding the wasp road race then, considering it is local to u?"

possibly

Mark.Scp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jonathan15

"r u riding the wasp road race then, considering it is local to u?"

possibly
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kl

u done it b4?

Whats it like?

Mark

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