Oh Tony, how I loathed thee.

Cunobelin · June 2007

Is Good ole Tony Bliar in fact any better then Maggie Thatcher....

With the stench of corruption, the problems wit the NHS, more money "off the books" than any other Government in History, is his legacy any more desirable?

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He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

oldwelshman · June 2007

Yes, but then again so would anyone else !!

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Unknown · June 2007

all political parties should be lined up and shot except two

the BNP who should be shot twice

the monster raving looney party, who should be given a tv station.

Tony666 · June 2007

Inflation under Thatcher = 22%
Interest rates under Thatcher = 15%
Unemployment under Thatcher = 3.6 million

I know who I would rather have in charge - even if I am watched on CCTV everywhere I go.

Cunobelin · June 2007

But....

How would inflation,national debt et al look if the same figures were used. Accordingto some sources - 5 - 8% of the national debt has been removed from the books to massage the figures.

At least the Tories were honest about these things.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Asterixcp · June 2007

I blame Milton Keynes.

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papercorn2000 · June 2007

Thatch's b@stard offspring. Dance-floor manufacturers take note.

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ankev1 · June 2007

If you set all his politics aside, I still can't for the life of me understand how anybody could have voted for the man himself. He's such an oily, super-smooth creep, full of fake emotion and insincerity. It's always struck me that he would make a good American politician.

Unkraut · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ankev1

If you set all his politics aside, I still can't for the life of me understand how anybody could have voted for the man himself. He's such an oily, super-smooth creep, full of fake emotion and insincerity.

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Consider the alternative - continuation of John Major (of blue underpants fame) and a sleazy, burned out and divided Tory administration.

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It's always struck me that he would make a good American politician.
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I suppose in a way he did... [:D]

I suppose us ex-pats will now have to let others into these discussions.

Gary Askwith · June 2007

Cant see how anyone can loath <s>maggot von hatchet</s> Margeret Thatcher and not loath Tony B.liar... i would say, if anything, the crimes and legacy of Blair are more disturbing...all he did was logically and economically extend the thatcherite regime into ( media, Controlling, targeting) areas it was heading towards anyway

Economic Growth; as dead as a Yangtze River dolphin....

Melvil · June 2007

What if Brown is a million times worse than Blair - will we look fondly back on his premiership then?

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Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ankev1

If you set all his politics aside, I still can't for the life of me understand how anybody could have voted for the man himself. He's such an oily, super-smooth creep, full of fake emotion and insincerity. It's always struck me that he would make a good American politician.
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To have a good victory, you need the right opposition. Remember how burnt out, tired, incompetant and sleazy the Tories looked at the end of their administration?

Unknown · June 2007

The only good politician is a dead one.

Ergo, I like Winston Churchill [:)]

Errrr...

Flying_Monkey · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Patrick Stevens
To have a good victory, you need the right opposition. Remember how burnt out, tired, incompetant and sleazy the Tories looked at the end of their administration?
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People have very short memories.

And most of what Blair has done that people don't like wouldn't have been very different under a Tory administration - CCTV, for example was a product of the Thatcher years and then started its spread under John Major. There's a kind of authoritarianism in social terms combined with economic liberalism that Thatcher pioneered but that Major made more more mundane and even cozy, whilst at the same time being surrounded by self-serving sleazebags. Blair's just carrying on this Great British tradition...

The big problem for mainstream politics now is that Cameron looks like Blair without the substance...

Which is just one reason why fewer and fewer people are interested.

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Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Flying_Monkey

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Patrick Stevens
To have a good victory, you need the right opposition. Remember how burnt out, tired, incompetant and sleazy the Tories looked at the end of their administration?
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People have very short memories.

And most of what Blair has done that people don't like wouldn't have been very different under a Tory administration <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I had the following conversation with a Tory politician.

TP "We're finding it very difficult to devise polices that are different to Labour, because they're doing the sort of things that we want."
Me "Doesn't that mean that you've won the ideas battle if you've convinced them to adopt your policies?"
TP "Possibly, but we still want to get back into power."

Gary Askwith · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NickM

The only good politician is a dead one.

Ergo, I like Winston Churchill [:)]

Errrr...
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By all accounts George Orwell and Churchill were mutual admirers..despite coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum

Economic Growth; as dead as a Yangtze River dolphin....

ankev1 · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Melvil

What if Brown is a million times worse than Blair - will we look fondly back on his premiership then?

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I suspect that as a man Brown is better than Blair; it is possible that he actually believes in something i.e. it is possible to have a degree of respect for him. He may turn out to be worse in practical terms as he has shown that he still believes that just irresponsibly throwing money at things will make them better - see the ongoing disaster that is the NHS. He may also have a few socialist instincts left in him, which is usually bad for those who live in the real world. A taste of a Brown premiership may clinch the next election for the tories. OTH he may have enough nouse to disguise his real intentions until after said election.

ankev1 · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Patrick Stevens

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TP "We're finding it very difficult to devise polices that are different to Labour, because they're doing the sort of things that we want."
Me "Doesn't that mean that you've won the ideas battle if you've convinced them to adopt your policies?"
TP "Possibly, but we still want to get back into power."
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What a sad inidictment of modern British policies. The honest choices would be to say:

a. We largely agree with the government and would be happy to work with them for the common good.

b. Try to work out what they actually do believe in and stand by it.

To simply want to get in office is not the idea. There used to be an old fashioned notion of serving your country.

Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ankev1

There used to be an old fashioned notion of serving your country.
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That's now left to service people. Politicians want to be in power.

Unknown · June 2007

Gordon Brown will turn out to be the best thing that ever happened for the Tories.
He has all the charisma of a slug

I can't begin to imagine him at a G8 summit.

If voting changed anything the government would make it illegal.

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Cunobelin · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">To have a good victory, you need the right opposition. Remember how burnt out, tired, incompetant and sleazy the Tories looked at the end of their administration?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Actually the Tories had more votes cast in their favour in the Landslide Election that saw labour into power than Labour had castfor them inthe last election.

Technicaly the tired, incompetent and slazy Tories had a bigger mandate than Labour has at present!

At least the Tories had the decency to resign, or censure the sleaze, unlike New LAbour.

He that buys land buys many stones.
He that buys flesh buys many bones.
He that buys eggs buys many shells,
But he that buys good beer buys nothing else.
(Unattributed Trad.)

Asterixcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jibi

Gordon Brown will turn out to be the best thing that ever happened for the Tories.
He has all the charisma of a slug

I can't begin to imagine him at a G8 summit.

If voting changed anything the government would make it illegal.

george

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Charisma?? WTF??? It isn't an audition for the lead in a Lloyd-webber musical y'know!

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Asterixcp · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gary Askwith

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NickM

The only good politician is a dead one.

Ergo, I like Winston Churchill [:)]

Errrr...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
By all accounts George Orwell and Churchill were mutual admirers..despite coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum

Economic Growth; as dead as a Yangtze River dolphin....

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That surprises me, given that one was an Etonian, the other merely a Harrovian[;)]

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david2 · June 2007

Tony Blair has achieved quite alot of good stuff. Trouble is anything he has achieved will be outweighed by his completely unjustifiable and immoral war against Iraq and the fact that the divide between rich and poor has grown under his leadership.

Oh Tony, how I loathed thee.

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