Omega Titanium Frame

Unknown · June 2007

Mark Reilly - the bike business equivalent of Eufemiano Fuentes?

As in: not a name you really want to be associated with if you like your reputation the way it is?

PhilofCas · June 2007

I'd asked a simple question......, really didn't intend to unearth any skeletons, i nearly lost the will to live after reading the last few salvo's [:0][V].

Wishing to understand what's gone on i thought i'd Google and found thishttp://www.londoncyclesport.com/news/article/mps/UAN/1531/v/1/sp/

Thanks for everyones input, i've got my answer now, cheers.

rjsmith · June 2007

Well said Phil. I'm a great fan of Omega bikes. I've had three and loved each one. That was what this thread was about. Jim W should be applauded for trying to support Omega customers but by contributing to this thread like he did it's bound to all start up again. Start a different thread if that's what you want to discuss EnigmaJim.
As for the slipping seatpost guy - ever had a Giant carbon? Of course it's wrong but I bet you get good service when you return it.
PS I'm in love with the look of the Eulogy having looked at it last night on your website.
PPS Does writing all the above make me a hippocrite?

Padova · June 2007

Many would say the design of a frame makes more difference to the ride than anything else. Frame material adds to the design. A good tubeset a bike does not make.

angrynortherner · June 2007

Originally posted by enigmajim

Very few people got "ripped off". I set aside tens of thousands of pounds to help those who stood to loose money and it's really sad that so many people are ignorant of the facts. All who wanted help received it and most lost little or nothing as a result. Some didn't want to be helped and this was their choice and is understandale.

Ok, can see why you don't want this to start again but...

I was ripped off, I had a deposit taken for good which were never delivered and at the time I paid it must have been suspected that the chance of them appearing was slim to nil. [:(]

I know you tried to help out, but I suspect a number of people didn't want or couldn't afford to take up your offer of help eg a discounted Enigma.[?]

angrynortherner · June 2007

Originally posted by NickM

Mark Reilly - the bike business equivalent of Eufemiano Fuentes?

That is the first time I've laughed at something connected with Omega in over a year[:D]

bloatercp · June 2007

I've ridden an ex-Omega 'designed' frame and a Burls designed frame when I was originally 'shopping' for a new bike at Burls (Burls got hold of some UNBADGED ex-Omega frames when he visited the frame builders in Russia, I assume because of Omega folding and there being unpaid stock or something?). These frames are both from the same Russian builder, ie. same materials etc.

No difference between them for ride quality at all (and I've been riding for many years and know what I'm looking at), so what is this magical ingredient that Wizard Reilly offers? I'm genuinely intrigued.

mdg1157 · June 2007

rjsmith
wow!! that's tight!! was yours a custom built frame? Mine was one they already had built, I actually ordered a small radius (œ999), from my local shop but omega didn't have one in stock, but offered me the enigma (œ1450) for the same price. did I have to think about it? For about a nanosecond!!! anyhow maybe thats why mine has more clearance. is that a titanium post your using too? i was using a titec titanium post (only 27mm, but had no slippage probs in 2500 miles), but changed to carbon this year, purely for asthetics.

NervexProf · June 2007

Review of the current top of the range 'Enigma' here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id= ... a_eulogy07

Common sense in an uncommon degree is what the world calls wisdom

giant_man · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by enigmajim

Very few people got "ripped off". I set aside tens of thousands of pounds to help those who stood to loose money and it's really sad that so many people are ignorant of the facts. All who wanted help received it and most lost little or nothing as a result. Some didn't want to be helped and this was their choice and is understandale. However I really don't want this all to start again. I was just trying to make the point that a frame will not necessarily be the same just because it comes from the same manufacturer. I think I should have kept my mouth shut! Happy days.
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It's just a shame the quality control wasn't as strong as it should have been. If the frame was checked properly before it went out the door then surely it could have been rectified.

And I haven't forgotten when you blasted me off your own Enigma forum when i dared to suggest something was wrong with one of your frames. Plus the fact you conveniently deleted that particular thread soon after, probably to save face, who knows.

Believe me, I know no company is perfect, and you do seem to liaise directly with your customers which I think is very good and rare these days, but when a company professes to have great design capabilities and you're bigging up someone who, lets's face it, doesn't have the best track record for customer relations shall we say, and I know downright well your frames are not all perfect, then I have to contest that. It's nothing personal but if you held up your hands and said 'we got it wrong, a one-off' then I wouldn't feel the way I do about the situation. It's not a personal thing Jim Walker but a matter of principle.

SIZE IS EVERYTHING! or at least that's what my LBS tells me.

McBain_v1 · June 2007

Slipping seatposts... I'm hoping some TACX assembly compound and a new seat collar will stop my Thompson heading south gradually. Should know by this weekend [:)]

What do I ride? Now that's an Enigma

giant_man · June 2007

Good luck with it Steve

SIZE IS EVERYTHING! or at least that's what my LBS tells me.

bianchi 1 · June 2007

Should luck be a factor when buying a œ800+ bike frame.

giant_man · June 2007

Well it is something he can try but no, you're right, luck shouldn't be anything to do with it.

SIZE IS EVERYTHING! or at least that's what my LBS tells me.

tekno · June 2007

As I have previously stated both Jim and Mark are friends But this might give a more balanced view of the new companies products.As i said maybe

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id= ... a_eulogy07

bianchi 1 · June 2007

This is the glowing Omega review that persuaded me to travel to London, get measured pay my deposit and look forward to my "british manufactured" bike that would be ready in " 6 weeks "

http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/artic ... 740672/v/2

It took me over 8 months of unanswered phone calls non replied emails and excuses like " mark has just popped to the factory to see how its going " ( how do you pop to Russia! ) Or " i cant get the bike to you cos it wont fit in my MX5 " to finally get my deposit back, and for this i count myself one of the lucky ones. but it was still an extremely stressful time that i could have done without.
Now I have nothing to say about enigma, Jim sounds like a good man and it sounds as if the company have many satisfied customers, But as mentioned above:
Mark Reilly - the bike business equivalent of Eufemiano Fuentes!!
Best of luck!

Carpe Diem · June 2007

I recently bought an Etape frame from Enigma at a cost of œ1100 with forks.

It looked the business and Omega, the previous company had a good reputation as regards build/ride quality.

I had it built up and put an ITM alloy seatpost in, I had not ridden a mile when it had slipped 10mm.

I went home and fitted my Thompson post off my Galaxy, that also slipped straight away.

Jim Walker did all he could to sort the problem, he sent me a new seatpost and clamp, but neither sorted the problem.

Mark Reilly came on the forum and tried to blind me with bull**** about Thompson seatpost's not made to the right size etc, etc,

I took it back to Hewitts and paul confirmed that the seat tube was a, too big and b, not round, so I got a full refund.

I was going to wait for a replacement, but I got so sick of the pro Enigma crap on their forum I just left it.

I wouldn't deal with Enigma again, their frames are nothing special.

I have had 4 Airborne Ti frames with never a problem.

I dont really think Enigma are worth the extra money IMHO

graemetherunner · June 2007

(in jest)

Teckno... I didn't fint it balanced, just funny - some journalist waxing lyrical.
Reckon mark, jim and that guy all went on the same marketing course.

I'm just waiting for jim to fire mark & hire an italian, then tell us his bikes are now better that best, cos they have been impregnated with some black magic that only italian designers have with bikes.

tekno · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by graemetherunner

(in jest)

Teckno... I didn't fint it balanced, just funny - some journalist waxing lyrical.
Reckon mark, jim and that guy all went on the same marketing course.

I'm just waiting for jim to fire mark & hire an italian, then tell us his bikes are now better that best, cos they have been impregnated with some black magic that only italian designers have with bikes.
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As I said maybe!

McBain_v1 · June 2007

Wow - sounds as though seat post slippage is a bit of an issue here. Now I'm a wee bit worried, but I am going to persevere a bit longer. I've got another Thompson seat post on my mountain bike that I could try (although it is a bit longer than my roadie one). Maybe it's time to get the micrometer out and start checking diameters of seat tubes and seat posts [?] [:(]

What do I ride? Now that's an Enigma

graemetherunner · June 2007

I'm a big fan of the realatively little known Burls brand as it is probably clear from my previous threads. I actually have three of their frames, two steel road frames (inc the tandem featured on Burls website). I recently took delivery of a 650 wheeled titanium road frame for my mother. From the time of order to delivery took aprox four weeks, everything about it is spot on, and all the components fit perfectly (I built it up myself).
I'd recommend Burls to any one who is looking for a very high quality titanium frame built to almost any spec with a finish that i doubt will easily be bettered should give Burls a look. Burls keeps his prices low by not spending a fortune on glossy adverts. His reputation and frame quality speak for themselves. Burls makes frequent visits to Moscow where he meets up with the frame builder and sometimes brings frames back with him, so has direct links with his titanium frame builders.

bloatercp · June 2007

no surprise that no explanation has surfaced yet as to what makes a great designer so amazingly great. Let me guess for those that bought an Omega... you got your arms and legs measured with a tape measure and the numbers were punched into a standard bit of software some dutch bloke invented and up popped a bike frame. Wahoo!

Well, a proper designer will do this too but will also look at your riding style and take into account any special physical requirements (you might have a back back, or wooden leg, or just ride like a weirdo...). The reason I've got more than one Burls frame is cos he actually joined me on a 1 hour ride to see my riding style etc. I bet nobody else bothers to do that with a customer!

Fresh Air Rider · June 2007

Whereabouts in the country are Burls based ?

giant_man · June 2007

They're in Essex, Fresh Air Rider, in Parkeston near Harwich/Clacton area I believe.

SIZE IS EVERYTHING! or at least that's what my LBS tells me.

Fresh Air Rider · June 2007

Thanks Giant Man.

They seem to keep that a secret on their website.

Carpe Diem · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by McBain_v1

Wow - sounds as though seat post slippage is a bit of an issue here. Now I'm a wee bit worried, but I am going to persevere a bit longer. I've got another Thompson seat post on my mountain bike that I could try (although it is a bit longer than my roadie one). Maybe it's time to get the micrometer out and start checking diameters of seat tubes and seat posts [?] [:(]

What do I ride? Now that's an Enigma 
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Yeah I think there is a problem with seat post slippage!

There's 2 guys on the Enigma forum with a similar problem, 1 of them had to make a shim out of a beer can to stop his slipping !!

Hence the reason I didn't really want another frame off them.

Mark Reilly say's he slacked the tolerances off on the seat tube to allow for all the vagaries in 27.2mm seatpost??

I think this is bullshiit personally

angrynortherner · June 2007

Funny how every other manufacturer doesn't have a seatpost slippage problem if according to Mark there is so much difference in the actual dimensions...

Anyone else notice that all of the reviews of Enigma's mention the phrase 'Rising Phoenix like from the Ashes of Omega' are they all written by the same person then syndicated?

andy1cp · June 2007

Hi Robert,i appreciate you and one or two more have a bit of an axe to grind!!! but heh mistakes happen!!! im sure Paul and Jim would/could with you sort out this problem,if given a chance? with all due respect could you, have being fitting it incorrectly? (no offence intended,i had to ask)yes i have an interest i am having an Etape built up by Paul Hewitt and yes i have every confidence in the product and the cycle builder! this Witch hunt serves no purpose,Dissing a new buissness in my opinion is bang out of order! mistakes happen unfortunately as in all areas of life.

Unknown · June 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by andy1

...with all due respect could you, have being fitting it incorrectly?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">How, exactly, would you fit a seatpin incorrectly?

Carpe Diem · June 2007

No axe to grind mate, people come on here to ask for advice and other peoples experience's. Should I lie and tell them it was fab but I got a refund anyway?

As for, "did I incorrectly fit the seat post wrong"? well if I did, it was the first one in 37 years of riding a bike! but its ok because I seem to have corrected it now, as my thompson seat post now fits snug in my Galaxy frame with no slippage at all.

No blame whatsoever can be aimed at Paul Hewitt, he only sold me the frame. I have had several bike's off him without any problems at all, and when he starts making his own titanium frames in the future, I shall be one of the first at his door!

I would also like to confirm what has been said about Burls, I spoke to the owner a week or so ago and his way of doing things was most refreshing..."bring your bike down and we'll go for a ride so I can see you on it" obviously a man who thinks customer service is a priority.

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