Japan and whaling...

gillan1969 · May 2007

I'll have told you about the pet geese shot on the ground by some over enthuisaistic 'shooters' in Balquhidder Patrick??

hunters eh[:(]

Big Big Men, prepared to take on the might of the natural world...behind...a...eh...gun[:)]

you can talk the talk about humane killing but its killing all the same

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Regulator · May 2007

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Pest Act 1954? Can't find it in the Statute Law Database - you sure it's still in force Patrick?

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Mea culpa- it is there but its the Pests Act 1954, rather than the Pest Act.

However, there is no offence of failing to control rabbits under the 1954 Act. The only offences remaining are obstruction in the exercise of default powers (s.5) and "knowingly uses or permits the use of a rabbit infected with myxomatosis to spread the disease among uninfected rabbits" (s.12). You can find the relevant legislation on the Statute Law Database.

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Unknown · May 2007

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http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles ... _hogzilla/

unbelievable

it felt really good he says[?]

is that how you feel when you bag a trophy rabbit Patrick??? really good?

Da vinci does his stuff and hundreds of years later we got hog boy....great[:(][:(]

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There's no such thing as a trophy rabbit, any more than there is a trophy rat.

From your attitudes, I assume that you are a principled vegan who refuses to own any dog that might kill another living thing?

Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Regulator

However, there is no offence of failing to control rabbits under the 1954 Act. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Prosecutions are dealt with under s.2 of the Act which amended s.98 of the Agriculture Act by enabling MAFF (now DEFRA) to serve a notice on a landowner requiring him to take specifed control measures. It is the breach of the control notice that consitutes the offence. The practical effect is that you get a warning first and an opportunity to remedy the situation before a prosecution can be launched. I have only dealt with one prosecution under the Act and the notice required gassing within a specified period. My client was prosecuted for failing to gas.

Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Patrick Stevens

From your attitudes, I assume that you are a principled vegan who refuses to own any dog that might kill another living thing?
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Or he's just finished reading the latest instalment in ladybird books of being hopelessly and ideologically naive beyond the call of duty!

mr_hippo · May 2007

Posters who complain about the 'pain & suffering' of animals, do they feel pain? What is their pain threshold?
To the ones who complain about Patrick shooting rabbits - how would you control them? Traps & snares? Too cruel, slow lingering death and may trap other animals. If you were taking your pet pooch for a country walk and it got snared, would you be happy? Poison? Is there a rabbit-specific poison? Gassing? I don't remember either the Axis or Allies in the 14-18 War making a gas that only affected the enemy and no other form of life. Poisoning and gassing would kill rabbits but would also kill all other forms of wildlife and affect the environment

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Keith Oates · May 2007

Although I'm not in favour of Whaling unless it's rigorously controlled I must admit that having eaten Whale Meat it really is delicous, at least it was the way it was prepared when I ate it!!!!!!!!!!

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Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mr_hippo

Posters who complain about the 'pain & suffering' of animals, do they feel pain? What is their pain threshold?
To the ones who complain about Patrick shooting rabbits - how would you control them? Traps & snares? Too cruel, slow lingering death and may trap other animals. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Would they hunt them with their dogs? If they've got the sort of dogs that are liable to worry sheep, they'll certainly go after rabbits. And rabbit hunting with dogs is still perfectly legal.

Archcp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gillan1969

Da vinci does his stuff and hundreds of years later we got hog boy....great[:(][:(]

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Eh? What's Leonardo got to do with it? Do you mean despite the Renaissance, we still have people hunting? Because Leonardo didn't only paint enigmatic women and scenes-from-bible, he also designed tanks, machine guns, armoured battle ships... Or are you blaming him for inventing the gun, because I'm fairly sure it wasn't down to him...

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mr_hippo · May 2007

Patrick, I have nothing against dogs but I am not a dog lover, never have been and never will be. Wouldn't it take a lot of time and effort to train a dog for rabbiting? The ones who complain about pest control in the countryside seem to be the ones who have pampered pooches and talk to them in whining voices - "Come to Mummy, Mummy loves you."
By the way, we do have a dog on our property, lives outside, never comes in - not allowed to and after 5 years it still hates me!

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Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mr_hippo

Patrick, I have nothing against dogs but I am not a dog lover, never have been and never will be. Wouldn't it take a lot of time and effort to train a dog for rabbiting?
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I know very little about dogs being used for rabbiting, but I think that lurcher types are used. I think they instinctively chase after a rabbit, so I suspect that little training is needed. Most dogs will chase after a rabbit, but few are fast enough to catch it before it reaches safety.

Rabbits can be flushed from burrows with ferrets (domesticated polecats) and then either caught in nets, shot or pursued with dogs.

Uncle Mort · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mr_hippo

Patrick, I have nothing against dogs but I am not a dog lover, never have been and never will be. Wouldn't it take a lot of time and effort to train a dog for rabbiting? The ones who complain about pest control in the countryside seem to be the ones who have pampered pooches and talk to them in whining voices - "Come to Mummy, Mummy loves you."
By the way, we do have a dog on our property, lives outside, never comes in - not allowed to and after 5 years it still hates me!

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Dogs are rubbish for rabbiting. What you really need are ferrets - totally effective and they never get stuck. And as a bit of added value, one of them bit Richard Whitely on telly once. Creatures of the Gods.

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Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Uncle Mort

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mr_hippo

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Dogs are rubbish for rabbiting. What you really need are ferrets - totally effective and they never get stuck. And as a bit of added value, one of them bit Richard Whitely on telly once. Creatures of the Gods.

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And the advantage of ferretted and netted rabbits is that there is no meat damage which makes them ideal for cooking. Am I right in assuming that rabbit stew is a Flemish delicacy?

Uncle Mort · May 2007

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And the advantage of ferretted and netted rabbits is that there is no meat damage which makes them ideal for cooking. Am I right in assuming that rabbit stew is a Flemish delicacy?
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Absolutely. Rabbit with Kriek (a beer flavoured with morello cherries) is my particular favourite, but there are various other preparations, usually with beer or cider. All served with chips of course [:p]. Horse is still fairly popular as well - not my cup of tea really, it's a bit 'strong'.

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gillan1969 · May 2007

arch

my point is that an 11 year can feel 'great' about killing something for fun..

what a triumph for the human spirit[:(]

some fat american brat gets to take out a rather spectacular hog...just as well fatso and his dad don't live anywhere near the siberian tiger....in fact maybe it would be better...I would like to see them face each other mano e mano[:)]

re rabbits
you need to assume they NEED controlled before taking the leap of imagination to discuss by which method

why would they need controlled???????

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Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gillan1969

re rabbits
you need to assume they NEED controlled before taking the leap of imagination to discuss by which method

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Have you ever heard the expression, "breed like rabbits?" They can breed so rapidly that in favourable conditions they can reproduce much more rapidly than their natural predators (foxes, buzzards and badgers) can consume them. A warmer climate means that they now breed all year round in the UK.

While vegans may not be bothered about the amount of grass they consume - six rabbits eat as much as one sheep, they might like to consider the effect of rabbits on growing crops eg corn and beans. Rabbits have evolved to live in brambles by nipping off the growing shoot. They carry this habit to, say bean fields, where a rabbit will go along a row eating all the growing shoots and thus inflicting damage out of all proportion to the numbers involved.

And no - it's not a practical proposition to put rabbit proof fencing round every corn field in the UK. Apart from anthing else, much of the time, you'd be fencing the rabbits in with the food supply.

In sensitive and vulnerable habitats, such as hillsides and coastal locations, the burrowing can open up erosion gullies which cause significant environmental degradation.

So, there's a bit more to it than just digging up Ducal croquet lawns. [;)]

Joe Sacco · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Uncle Mort

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mr_hippo

Patrick, I have nothing against dogs but I am not a dog lover, never have been and never will be. Wouldn't it take a lot of time and effort to train a dog for rabbiting? The ones who complain about pest control in the countryside seem to be the ones who have pampered pooches and talk to them in whining voices - "Come to Mummy, Mummy loves you."
By the way, we do have a dog on our property, lives outside, never comes in - not allowed to and after 5 years it still hates me!

http://bangkokhippo.blogspot.com/

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Dogs are rubbish for rabbiting. What you really need are ferrets - totally effective and they never get stuck. And as a bit of added value, one of them bit Richard Whitely on telly once. Creatures of the Gods.

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What you need is more foxes! They certainly 'deal' with the rabbits in my garden. I am now getting fed up with picking up rabbit legs and large intestines from the lawn (clearly parts of the rabbit not to the liking of the foxes)

Might get a bit like the lady who swallowed a fly though.

Tourist Tony · May 2007

Don't forget that rabbits are not native to the UK.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Archcp · May 2007

And of course if the population gets too big, a 'natural' limiter like disease will kick in. Most diseases of course, take some time to die from, miserably, rather than being instant...

Tony, quite true - we could maybe control them by bringing back a few real natives? Like wolves and bears?[;)] I gather Eagle Owls do a good job too, but there's a tricky debate over whether they are native...

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gillan1969 · May 2007

tourist tony

eh...I don't think that humans were either

patrick

my point being that rabbits are happy to breed...only in a world where you assume that our needs supercede the rabbits do you have a point...

perhaps the great lord rabbit doth looketh down on us with his floopy ears exasperated that the ancient texts outlining his omnipotence are buried in burrows and can only be understood by our floppy eared friends

on your sad departure from the mortal world you may be meet by a large angry bearded rabbit who wants to know why you've been popping off his annointed ones????

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Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gillan1969

on your sad departure from the mortal world you may be meet by a large angry bearded rabbit who wants to know why you've been popping off his annointed ones????

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That is one of the risks I am prepared to take.

gillan1969 · May 2007

arch

humans are breeding out of control...should a cull be organised to ensure we don't have a miserable slow death due to disease

quick bullet to the head????

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Unknown · May 2007

Why is whaling considered more cruel than fishing for salmon in the local river ?

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Unknown · May 2007

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Why is whaling considered more cruel than fishing for salmon in the local river ?
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Isn't it on the method of catch and final killing? For salmon it could be a few minutes on the end of the line (worst case scenario) followed by a bash over the head with a suitable blunt instrument.
For whales I imagine it's a lot slower and more drawn out.

I think the argument isn't just about cruelty, it's about retaining suitable biodiversity and breeding population sizes.

Unknown · May 2007

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arch

humans are breeding out of control...should a cull be organised to ensure we don't have a miserable slow death due to disease

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Er....gillan, I don't know what's happening in Scotland, but in general, humans reproduce at a much lower rate than rabbits.

mr_hippo · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gillan1969
perhaps the great lord rabbit doth looketh down on us with his floopy ears exasperated that the ancient texts outlining his omnipotence are buried in burrows and can only be understood by our floppy eared friends

on your sad departure from the mortal world you may be meet [sic] by a large angry bearded rabbit who wants to know why you've been popping off his annointed ones????
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The Rev Wm Spooner once, allegedly said that "The Lord is a shoving leopard!", now it appears that he is also a rabbit.

Gillian, I don't know what funny weed you are smoking but I'd appreciate some!

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Joe Sacco · May 2007

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arch

humans are breeding out of control...should a cull be organised to ensure we don't have a miserable slow death due to disease

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Er....gillan, I don't know what's happening in Scotland, but in general, humans reproduce at a much lower rate than rabbits.
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There are still too many humans though, and the problem isn't going away.

I think a stun first and then bullet to the head sounds reasonable as that is how you treat other animals. (or that is how you believe they are killed anyhow)

Regulator · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gillan1969

tourist tony

eh...I don't think that humans were either

patrick

my point being that rabbits are happy to breed...only in a world where you assume that our needs supercede the rabbits do you have a point...

perhaps the great lord rabbit doth looketh down on us with his floopy ears exasperated that the ancient texts outlining his omnipotence are buried in burrows and can only be understood by our floppy eared friends

on your sad departure from the mortal world you may be meet by a large angry bearded rabbit who wants to know why you've been popping off his annointed ones????

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Waddya mean gillian? Do you think we were brought here by aliens? Are you a Scientologist by any chance?

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Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Commuter

Why is whaling considered more cruel than fishing for salmon in the local river ?

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Whales are mammals and feel pain differently to fish. You can catch a salmon, release it and it suffers no adverse consequences. Some coarse fish are caught repeatedly but continue to grow and breed. The same does not happen with a whale. The explosive warhead of the harpoon is powerful enough to kill it through shock and bleeding, but insufficient to kill it outright.

gillan1969 · May 2007

nope

I mean we are not native to these isles either

I'm imaginging toursit tony having a debate with 'thumper' over the origin of species whilst chewing on a lettuce leaf (thumper that is, not sure tony's preferred snack)

africa is our origins, or at least that's the current thinking, creationists notwithstanding

so it could be argued we're not really native here either

cue spire waving his union jack (or is that now a St George[:)]) and singing god save the queen

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