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Why's that?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Only if you use the Morissette Dictionary.
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Well, I found it funny anyway. 😉
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Not sure that eloquence or lack thereof is accurately indicative of being smarter or less smart. Sir Derek Jacobi speaks very well - I'm not sure we'd want him running the country on the strength of a well delivered speech.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Don't be shy Blakey...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Interesting the extent to which you are willing to classify what she says as a lack of eloquence. It's more verbal incontinence isn't it?
I think a better barometer is the extent to which she trumpets her academic training. Unless she's at page 5 of an argument with RC about a graph, it is a sure fire indication she's an idiot.
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Was more of a general comment. I had a quick look and couldn't see a report of what was actually said, but there does seem to be a trend for making a big deal out of small verbal slips rather than the substance of whatever policy is in question. And it's not as though there aren't substantive things to criticise. Obviously, that would be less exciting than "OMG! Kemi Badenoch thinks there's a shared border between Italy and Turkey! How stupid is that?", but it feels pretty stupid suggesting that that is what she really thinks.
Also absolutely hilarious that you are criticising her for flexing academic credentials. 😁
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As you've mixed up Badenoch and Braverman, I'm unable to consider your entire argument.
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And here's evidence of Cruella helping to Build The Wall...
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Incorrectly it must be said.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
I did caveat that with the requirement to have been exasperated for a week discussing an FT tweet with some misleading statistics on it. BadEnoch seems to use hers as a starter for 10.
Worth also noting that I'm not an elected public figure, so I'd like to think I'm held to a far lower standard.
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I think you can make rules for what public officials can spend money on or how they deal with conflicts of interest. But I think trying to establish some sort of standard for public statements (beyond those already classified in law) is an impossible task. I also don't think there's anything to be gained by insisting on a higher standard than applies to the general public. Public statements do matter and it does matter that they are accurate but I think it's sensible to view them in the context of what else the speaker is saying and more importantly doing (which is often contradictory).
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Oops.😆
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Who said anything about rules? This is just about opinions. To my mind, a key part of being an effective politician is clear verbal communication. She seems to spend half the time explaining what she just said or intended to say.
The blow hard "my training as an engineer" stuff is quite normal in an environment where pointy elbows are required, I suppose, but I suspect she'll stop that quite soon. It's not as though she's going to win a pissing contest against Srarmer on that front.
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Yes, I'd agree that she seems to have to correct herself quite a lot. I don't think that's an indication of anything more than her not being a great public speaker and perhaps impatience. I get the impression that an engineering background is relatively unusual in politics and probably does give a different point of view from a PPE grad. It might be a bit annoying, but no worse than acting like you own the place merely because you went to the right school.
Starmer might have the more impressive qualifications, and might make fewer obvious slips, but he's a pretty uninspiring leader and his political skills don't look that special either based on the last 6 months.
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Some interesting thoughts from Lewis Goodall re conservatism:
Starmer is undoubtedly right and has identified a disturbing dynamic at the heart of this story. It has been the best example yet of the defining feature of our political age: the emergence of a radicalised Anglosphere online right, with Musk at its head. It is one which has essentially come to direct quite a bit of what the old “mainstream” right says and does and from where it takes its cues. This seems a trend likely to intensify under Kemi Badenoch, a terminally online political figure and a person who has imbibed an extreme free speech ideology. It is an ecosystem where conspiracy and fringe thinking which would have once been beyond the pale is at the centre, cloaked in the language of truth-telling and free speech, but which more often than not is just wrong, frenzied or taken entirely out of proportion to the matter at hand . Far from being little men and women raging against the machine, it is imbibed and amplified by a powerful illiberal metropolitan elite. This line runs, unbelievably, from Tommy Robinson to Musk to Reform to GB News to the right wing press through to the Conservative Party itself. It is fear of stepping outside this ecosystem, and the tropes and obsessions it alights upon, which is changing the behaviour of leading mainstream Conservative politicians.
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