LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,292

    She seems to think she is intellectually superior and people should just accept that she knows best.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839

    I wish you wouldn't cut them so much slack just because you used to live there.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830

    There are a lot of parallels, though, because as of June they were both governments in their dying embers with big majorities they are about to lose. These majorities have fostered corruption and hubris. You can think of Scotland a bit like what would have inevitably happened to the Leave vote, had the Brexit debate persisted through the wake up call of the current geopolitical instability.

    That is to say, Scotland is now craving competent governance and there is no appetite for being entirely on its own in a big, scary and uncertain world.

    Sadly, the SNP have handed out all the sweeties available try try to buy independence. Their austerity cuts over the next two years will make George Osbourne look like Santa. It will take another decade I reckon to undo all of the spending commitments and back where they were before the SNP. Even then, income tax will need to be about 4% higher to make up for the Barnett payments they lost by demanding control over income tax.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830

    I just did a comparison. This year, I would have paid £500 *per month* more income tax in Scotland than I do here.

    I know I'm comparatively lucky salary wise, but even so I would certainly notice that chunk off the pay cheque.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839

    It does explain why a lot of successful Scots are moving South of the border.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830

    I was always British. When the SNP got into a foam ca. 2013, I started to feel English.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839

    I know you're not Scottish - though I see you were pretty quick off the mark to remove any doubt about that 😀

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830
    edited October 2

    Yes, but as I have always said, the political atmosphere really did make a difference. in the end it made me more willing to leave, because I had been made to feel like an outsider for a decade, with a lot of venom being directed to people from where I was born, and with my accent. It does leak out into communities.

    If you can't see the parallels, and the dangers posed by the current generation of Tory snake oil salesmen, you aren't paying enough attention.

    I'm like Brian, incidentally, to the extent that I feel we need a decent conservative (small) representation in Westminster. It is getting harder to imagine that being the Conservativives.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839

    Well let's see what Labour's tax offensive at the end of this month does for people's willingness to stay in the UK.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830

    Indeed. I suspect it will be fannying around the edges, with a lot of finger pointing at the opposition.

    I'll admit I am disappointed by the rhetoric, the rookie errors and what is clearly an extremely time limited strategy of blaming the last government. They came in knowing the electorate was sick of politicians in general, and yet they've carried on in the same vein in many ways. No one cares who's fault it is they just want things to be fixed.

    It is alarmingly foolish.

  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,050

    Tories dined out on blaming the previous government for years after 1979 and 2010. So I don’t expect that to stop anytime soon.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839

    I'm not sure many people are fooled by the 'Oh we didn't know how bad things were and now we have to put up taxes' which is just bollox. They should have said that they were going to put up taxes in order to do certain things; however in their rush not to scare moderate voters and the middle classes they ruled rate rises for 4 of the biggest sources of tax revenue - IT, Employees NI, VAT and CT. They now can only really fiddle with more peripheral taxes, but the amounts they want to raise means that these changes are likely to have other implications which mean it is less likely to yield the intended amounts. Apart from the impact on growth etc, which is what they keep saying is so important without doing anything to encourage it.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830

    Yup. There's now a very jaded electorate and ready access to lots of apparent alternatives. Means far less patience and far higher risk of politics lurching more suddenly to our own equivalent of Trump or Bolsonaro.

    Labour's approach is out of date and they risk being turfed out as quickly as they got back in.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839

    Your last sentence belongs in the 'Trivial things that cheer you up' thread.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,207

    Jenrick appears to have used footage of one of Tugendhat's deceased army friends as background scenery for his mad claim that membership of the ECHR is forcing us to assassinate terrorists.

    Also this.


    Blue on blue .

    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839

    I'm struggling to think of anything worse than 'Socialism lite' which is what we're getting now. Apart from removing the 'lite'part. Or maybe some godforsaken coalition of Labour, Lib Dems SNP and Greens.

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830

    Well I disagree that some form of "pure" politics is better than the inconvenient compromises of the middle ground.

    Labour need to up their game, for sure. But aside from the dreadful messaging on the economy, they have been a distinct step up. On foreign policy in particular.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,292

    Me too. It was always obvious they would have to bring in more money and that they were just kicking the can down the road and making it tougher for themselves by stating the taxes they wouldn't increase. I actually think that a lot more people are willing to accept tax rises when they are told what they will be doing (e.g. when the Tories proposed raising NI to improve NHS and social care funding following the pandemic).

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,292

    I'm not struggling with that despite not being very imaginative. We've seen an example for the last 8 years. Non-governance whilst a Party fights internally, endless u-turns against the poicies they introduced and criticising them as though they were the work of others, increasing taxes to just spunk away on ill-thought 'flagship' policies or spurious contracts rather than to actually impove anything...

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,207

    Honestly haven't noticed any significant difference beyond the planning regs being relaxed. So far tax rises are all TBC, but we knew they were coming regardless.

    Oh, little bit awkward, but the Sun is reporting small boat crossings are at their lowest level in 4 years. 😬

    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,207
    edited October 2

    There has been research on this. Most people are in favour in principle. When the question 'how much extra would you be willing to pay?' is asked, the average answer is ~£100. Don't think that's going to cut it

    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,207

    Here's the quote from the Sun article.

    YVETTE Cooper believes she is turning the tide on Channel crossings after arrivals last month fell to the lowest in four years. The Home Secretary is hopeful as 4,190 migrants arrived in September, down from 4,729 in 2023. It is the lowest since September 2020 when just 1,946 crossed in small boats from France.

    I presume that's a monthly total.

    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 60,839
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,207
    edited October 2

    Who knows? Not my article. Just pointing it out.

    Maybe it's doing nothing: you were absolutely certain that doing nothing was having an effect before July.

    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,865

    I'm going to change my prediction - Badenoch has been too visible, so she probably isn't going to make it through to the final vote. If she does, she'll lose.

    Whoever wins won't be leader at the election, though.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 16,830

    Absolutely none, clearly, but they will annoyingly spin it as a labour thing. You can't say the discussion isn't balanced.