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It's worth noting that if they could own up to their failure and find some new talent that wasn't part of that failure, it would (at east partially) disarm critics like me, but as long as they pretend the past 14 years didn't happen, the pleasure in their continuing floundering is undiminished. I'm rather looking forward to stories of undeclared gifts coming to light.
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It's their conference: they're in the news, that's all.
Not sure suggesting Cleverly is their best option against Starmer is bitching. Maybe he should aim to be the next but one based on the usual run of things, though.
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I've stated many times that I wish the Tories could up their game, as all governments need a strong opposition. Stevo sees all criticism as 'bitching', but as long as they see all criticism as 'bitching' rather than hard advice to at least consider (my observation about all four candidates being tarnished by association and record falls under that banner), they will remain reliant on Labour incompetence and collapse, rather than having a strong party with talented advocates who can give a positive vision of what modern Conservatism is (or should be).
Presently all I see at Birmingham is tired old voices of failed politicians. There's no vision at all.
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This is the tory bitching thread after all. There is the other thread for labour which has also been rather busy.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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But the 'debate' here is about the future leaders, not the past. Even if you were right 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
But the problem, as others have said, is that the future leaders are inextricably linked to that past.
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So the bitching will stop once the conference is over? 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You've got your priorities wrong, you should be focusing on thise who are currently f***ing things up for us. Like I'm doing - which is also fun 😇
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm curious why you think Badenoch is the best bet when she seems to have a talent for putting her foot in it. 'Straight talking' seems like a polite way of saying she opens her mouth before she has thought what she is going to say.
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Oh come on. You'd have to be made of stone not to find Truss funny.😀
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I prefer the current stuff 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
It's not an either/or... that's why we've got two threads. At least in the case of the Tory Party, we've got 14 years of failure to judge what the might be like in the future, as Pross says. In any case, I seem to remember Corbyn mentioned a few times in the Labour thread, even after he'd been dumped... and why not, he was a failure too.
I think it's telling that you want us to forget about the past 14 years though.
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Stone it is.
Truss is still very much current, unfortunately , and seems to be popular amongst members.
The obvious difference between Truss and a cringe impression of Rayner is that there's no need to do an impression of Truss.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Jeez, what's wrong with the people here. That's funny, it should be at least on five likes.
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I've mocked the Tories equally as much, when warented. Let's have some parity now Labour are in.
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I find the revisionist '14 years of failure' more than a little tiresome.
Sure the post Bexit referendum result has been far from great, or even good, but not everything was a failure, and no Government would really have known how to handle the pandemic well. Focus your ire on post 2016 if you will, but also remember it wasn't just the Tories that fucked up the Remain campaign, and it wasn't just Tories who backed Leave either.
There are clear successes from the last 14 years, one of which contrasts hugely with the old Labour Government's utter failure in the area, namely pension policy, and particularly pension freedoms, auto-enrolment and the flat rate State Pension. Also there was a significant increase early on in the personal allowance took thousands out of tax, another success, a contrast to Brown messing up the lower rate tax issue.
Certainly the leadership revolving door was farcical, the hypocrisy of the Covid parties stupid in the extreme, and the Rwanda concept utter bonkers, not to mention Truss..........................................
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You have to squint pretty hard to say they did well on tax thresholds
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It is also kind to say the least to excuse the Tories for some of what happened during the pandemic.
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OK, it's a fairish observation, but coloured by the last five yeas of shitshow, though Cameron's ill thought through Brexit referendum terms of reference to solve a party schism extends the charge, and the fact that they left the UK in a worse position after 14 years in power isn't a great selling point, even if there were a few tweaks that weren't bad. It's unfortunate, to say the least, that it appears that all the competent people have done a runner, and we're just left with people from the last five years as representatives of the party.
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If you aren't going to blame the Tories for a bad Remain campaign, maybe go one step earlier to why there needed to be a Remain campaign. I guess we can blame the Lib Dems for not being strong enough to force another coalition in 2015.
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I'm trying...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
A lot of people trot out the '14 years of failure' or similar as if it is fact rather than their opinion and/or hoping that if they say it enough times then it must be true.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
As mentioned above, whatever your view of the last 14 years of Tory government may be, there is only party that can screw it up now. And in the court of public opinion at least, its amazing what 3 months of leftiebollox can achieve 😊
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Remain and Leave were both cross party campaigns., so the blame for bad campaigns has to lay at the feet of all the parties.
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In shock new polling, more Telegraph readers prefer the Conservatives than Labour.
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Agree, I think the Tory led coalition government did a reasonable job in challenging cirumstances. The problem was the shitshow that came out of them subsequently caving to the Eurosceptics in the build up to the 2015 election. Things could have been so much different with a Cameron led government had he held his nerve and not committed to the Brexit referendum.
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Yes, go one step earlier than the campaign.
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Yeah Cameron wasn't that bad policy wise. He just didn't have the kahunas needed to stick it out. He could have, even after the vote, but decided not to.
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