2024 UK politics - now with Labour in charge
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I think she was a bit of a work hard in the fields all day and then have wholemeal bread type of a lady. It was on five live, which means it was probably duplicated across the BBC, if you are interested enough.
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It was Dame Sally Davies, former Chief Medical Officer.
She was basically saying that if we give up and say it's too hard to not feed our kids shit food and they get obese, we're storing up 80 years of health problems.
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I know what she is saying, and it's hardly breaking news. But the head mistress messaging was horrendous.
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Turn up to a school pick up at a state school, see what the kids are being given to eat then and you'll be more sympathetic.
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Other than eating lots of fruit and vegetables and avoiding stuff that isn't actually food, is there any actual consensus on what people should eat? I know someone will say avoid ultra-processed food, but that is a vast amount of stuff and presumably some of it is absolutely fine.
I was reading the other day that we should be having 30g of fibre every day. That's really not easy unless you make it the complete purpose of everything you eat.
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I am sympathetic. But Mary Whitehouse isn't going to get much traction these days.
We all cycle and do active stuff, or we wouldn't be on the forum.
But the UK as a whole is not a good place to live if that's what you do for fun and so we are the exception. I don't think we do nearly enough in schools to embed that at an early age, and it is way more difficult to change the habits of sedentary adults.
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There'll be huge civil unrest long before 2074 so no point worrying about it. If we are ramping up the population through immigration, the gap between rich and poor is growing wider and the majority are going to be poorer history tells us how that ends - I suppose we could just end up with an increasingly authoritarian state to keep a lid on things.
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I think the main thing you can do is to try and cook most meals from scratch. This removes most of the artificial crap in a ready meal and avoids takeaway and frozen foods as well. If you do so, it is going to lead you to using a fairly broad range of meat/fish/fruit/veg/pulses etc.
Cut down on on soft drinks, booze and limit snacking in between meals.
If most people who ate relatively poor diets started to do this I think the majority would see a noticeable improvement to health; weight loss, better digestion, less lethargy and overall increased health.
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This reminds me of a funny anecdote. The Canadian (or BC) government used to have guidelines like 5 a day (theirs was 7, and I am sure they still have them).
When I was there someone at a newspaper added them all up and concluded that it exceeded the total daily recommended food intake.
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I do sometimes get people ask me how to get a bit fitter and eat a better diet, I guess as I am reasonably fit and lean. I have had occasions where people have thought it was a good idea to try and cram all the daily guidelines on F&V, fibre, protein etc. into their diet. I have pointed out similar, if they did so, they would likely end up consuming far more food than they currently do and put weight on.
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Is the answer for the majority of people just to try putting less in your mouth.
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I've previously done a healthy eating diet where the only 'rules' were that you could only eat things that grow in the ground or meat / fish that was less than 5% fat. It effectively gave you a very low fat diet and worked effectively for me. Providing you stuck to those rules you could eat as much as you wanted. I found that I was generally no more than 1500kcals per day, it's amazing the shear quantity of vegetables you can eat (I generally prefer veg to fruit so fruit may have had a bigger impact). I'm not sure I'd be physically able to eat enough to have got up to the normal daily calorie recommendation. The biggest issue was the lack of sauces etc. making the food a bit bland plus no cheese (or biscuits, crisps etc. obviously). If the wife was a less fussy eater I would probably eat similar to that every day and supplement it with a few snacks and dairy. Every time I did it I shifted between 5 and 6kg over the 3 weeks and noticeably shed body fat.
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I think this is the common answer, but I'm not convinced it is really the right answer.
For example, butter is now widely considered better than margarine because it only consists of food; however, for me to cook it from scratch I'd need a cow, and then my processing methods would probably introduce some health risks.
Also, frozen peas don't become unhealthy because they have been frozen.
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I think getting off ones arse is a solution to a great many health problems.
A big issue in the UK is that outdoors is abitshit in much of the country, and anything active indoors is disgustingly expensive compared to a video game.
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There's a bloke on Radio 4 trying to do just that. Live on what he can produce on his smallholding. He's got the cow already.
Lack of spices, tea and coffee would make it tough for me...
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Who has said frozen peas are unhealthy?
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It isn't Matt Baker is it? If so, can you call in and tell him to stop being so bloody upbeat?
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MidlandsGrimpeur2 said "This removes most of the artificial crap in a ready meal and avoids takeaway and frozen foods as well."
I think I read that some frozen veg is better than fresh veg.
In general I find the messaging mixed, contradictory and often poorly researched.
I like the idea of just putting "This item contains non-food" on the packaging.
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I don't think freezing changes the nutritional content. Cooking does, so you should eat your peas raw.
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Time changes the nutritional content though and freezing reduces the impact of this.
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The messaging that gets issued is so dumbed down these days, all the salient information has been removed.
Frozen foods correlates in that earlier post to a category processed food, not to frozen ingredients.
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Income inequality in the UK has been fairly steady since 2000. There has been a big increase in grievance cultivation though.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Am highly suspicious of defining things as food/not food.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Describe the additive shit like emulsifiers and modified corn starch however you prefer.
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I heard from a bloke called Graham who probably lives in Kingston that this was the main takeaway from a book he read. QED.
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That comment worked better when it wasn't a cross comment.
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Not Matt Baker, otherwise I'd not be able to listen to him...
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For example, smoked meat passes the no added ingredients test, but the smoking process coats the meat with various combustion products that we wouldn't otherwise dream of ingesting. Ingestion of potential catcinogens will kill you a lot more slowly than eating undercooked meat with poor hygiene standards, though. Dietary fibre is not food but it is essential for healthy digestion.
It's not a useful distinction.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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One of my recent authors suggested as well as looking at what's been added, also think about what's been done to a food.
Beer, wine, yoghurt, cheese, other fermented foods, proper bread etc are all processed, but minimally so.
UPFs seem to involve a lot of emulsifiers and modified starches which we haven't evolved to deal with, and industrial processes which render the basic food less and less useful.
Easier to write about than to put into practice tho...
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