2024 Election thread
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Cost of living isn't determined by profession. Ability to afford that cost might be, but that's a different thing.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Right, you made the leap.
3 kids in my class became doctors, and 1 guy in the next flat at uni was studying to be a doctor.
Literally all of them now work in Oz.
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It's still a different thing from the cost of living. Not all that many of us are young doctors without roots in the UK.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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i just caught that clip of him saying that on the news, "it's just the way people speak", it is indeed how loathsome bigots speak, yet another confirmation of farage's character
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Ah yes, that very high flying school you were lucky enough to attend because your parents lived in the catchment......
Do you still keep in contact with the Ozzie doctors? Because if you do know anyone who lives in and around the major cities, who also knows the Uk, you will know the cost of living there is higher than here.
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I mean, if you want to win the argument on the thread, go for it. Doesn't change that medicine grads are heading out of the UK to earn more money. I can point to plenty of grads ending up in NYC to work on Wall Street as opposed to the City.
If it makes you feel better, one of the kids in my class who used to kick my head in went to prison for being accessory to a drive by: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8300116.stm Good enough street credentials for you?
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Right. From hereon in, anyone who wants to bang on about cost-of-living when talking about earning power needs to quote the local PPP or else I'm taking my ball and going home, as it's a moronic argument.
Aus PPP is about 15% higher than in the UK currently. Additionally they have a health sector the doesn't infamously underpay their staff.
This is not controversial and not up for debate.
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Yes, but that's not what you said. You said cost of living isn't higher if you're a doctor. That's clearly gibberish. Had you said wages are sufficiently high that they more than compensate for higher cost of living that would have made sense.
Try making your point clearly in language people outside your circle understand. You're reasonably bright, you should be able to work it out.
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Have just checked the architect salaries in Australia. Not sure I'd be any better off (not that it's remotely a possibility anyway). It's great if you are a med school graduate and yes we do have a problem with retention in the UK, but the relative merits of other countries are pretty irrelevant for most of us.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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i was talking about grad pay, and then mr doesn't undrestand PPP rocked up to bang on about cost of living.
Go look at the PPP in Aus. It's all there in the data. This vibes based debate is really irritating.
Guy in my office lives in some leafy place in Kent. Bet me £100 the tories will win the GE because he went for a drive on the weekend and saw some pro tory stuff. Ridiculous. I offered to make the terms more difficult but he was happy.
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PPP?
That's Personal Pension Plan in my line of work. Piss Poor Practices / Performance in some others.
Again, you fail to make yourself clear by using jargon from your line of work.
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Its a combination of factors specific to some professions. 1. underpaid NHS doctors 2. AUS needs people of all professions so is easy to get into (comparatively) 3. the appearance of strong cultural ties.
There's a similar discrepancy in doctor earnings to Canada, but we don't lose so many to Canada because there are fewer cultural ties and the weather is shit. (Actually I'd far rather there than dust storms, flash floods and water shortages, but hey). And of course in the US its a license to print money, but how many UK doctors get in to the US or could cope with the ethics there?
Fwiw in my profession, I'm quite a lot better paid here than in AUS or NZ... similar to Canada but with far fewer working hours and more holiday. US is totally different. Possibly I'd be paid between 1.5 and 2x as much but it would definitely not be worth the additional stress. I wouldn't have a life, basically, because it would be a 6.5 day a week job.
The devil's in the detail RC, always. Its why sometimes people find your "its shit here, look at all the green grass elsewhere" trope quite grating. Personally I'd be happy if you tried it and reported your findings back to us in a couple of years.
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Purchasing power parity is the most common result for PPP and is not recruitment jargon.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Cost of living isn't twice in AUS, but they are encountering headwinds. Used to be cheap as chips, right? Now it is definitely higher than here. Same in NZ.
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I thought it was public, private partnership?
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What are you guys arguing? That all the grads moving are wrong?
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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WTF has all that ^ got to do with the election?
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Medical graduates moving abroad rather than working here probably should have something to do with the election, but there's a lot of subjects that have been pretty much ignored because there's no easy answers to solving them while still keeping within some random fiscal rules.
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I think it's good that rather than argue around the potential issues of "brain drain", we pile onto Rick.
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I couldn't believe there was no interrogation of what Farage was saying by the BBC. It was absolutely clear he was condoning clear racist and homphobic language by his own party activist. They just reported his comments as if they were perfectly reasonable.
This is a parliamentary candidate and it is clear that no media outlet wants to scrutinise Farage in any meaningful way. They just seem in thrall to him in some bizzare way and appear terrified of calling him out for who he quite clearly is and what he represents.
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Firstly, you haven't and, secondly, you selectively ignore it.
Anyhoo, the UK isn't the richest country in the world. Get over it.
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There is a big looming issue of academic brain drain, if that helps?
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Aspirational stuff 🤣
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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'Brain drain' is a concept from the 1950s/60s. Not exactly breaking news.
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The NHS is a concept from the 40s. Lets stop discussing it.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Yes!
Fwiw clearly the idea of brain drain has been around for a while. Obviously adventitious young talented people will have fewer ties to the UK and be more free to move, and on a small scale it's not an issue.
However, the vibe is that leaving the UK is more popular, and I do think this is an issue.
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Like I said, crab bucket Britain.
Money pays for all the stuff we're complaining isn't happening, but when the money in Britain is not enough to keep some of the most educated people, immediately it's not the problem of Britain, but the people leaving, and you need to "get over" the fact t hat Britain isn't as rich as it ought to be.
Remarkable stuff. No wonder we're in this sclerotic mess. At least NHS spending has to increase 1.5% per year after inflation to tread water with an ageing population
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Realism. It's not going to change in my lifetime. Saying everything's better in Australia woe is me isn't helpful.
More helpful is seeking inspiration from countries that are doing better in some areas and asking why. However I don't think that is necessarily useful to compare the UK to Canada, Australia or the US because they aren't of comparable size and/or population and the all have vastly greater access to natural domestic resources and vastly more space for both population and economic growth.
So it isn't helpful to, for example, suggest fracking as a magic money tree like they have in the US. Or suggest we start looking for lithium and other values used in batteries as mining opportunities like they are in Australia.
Hence why I suggest more local comparisons.
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I did look at the data for my industry and it looks like there is no additional PPP for a move to Australia.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0
