2024 Election thread
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In football terms, the home team just went 3-0 down in the last 10 minutes. The crowd are leaving to beat the rush.
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Here's the same for the Mail:
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The only reason I would opt for a private school would be crime. Whilst many of them have drug problems, they don't have stabbings. An evening tutor doesn't cover that problem.
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I'm not completely sure, but I suspect state high schools in places like Henley avoid that issue as well.
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Isn't it about now that the red tops switch teams? That's what happened in 1997 as I recall.
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Yeah, spotted it afterwards hence the fan club analogy.
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"It's the Sun wot did it!" Maybe. That's how I remember it too.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
They seem to have deserted the Tories quite a while back. Most of them are probably more in favour of Reform this time though I suspect.
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Sun more Labour, less Reform than the Telegraph.
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That surprises me - my prejudices are that The Sun and Reform are a perfect match.
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On all honesty, the readers of these tabloids probably voted leave, and probably voted for Boris. And will probably vote for Labour for the same lemming like reasons. I doubt very much that there is any sort of dawning realisation amongst this demographic that they are partly to blame for the resulting shitshow.
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Does anyone remember what the Telegraph did when it twigged that Blair was going to romp home in 1997? Obviously Murdoch will want to ingratiate himself when they accept the inevitable, but will the Telegraph save face by blaming the Tories for everything and lurch to Reform wholeheartedly so it can remain rabidly anti-Labour, or will it accept 'the will of the people' to try to retain its influence?
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Telegraph readers are on average older and more male.
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This includes online, but probably the same applies.
The one that should really scare the Conservatives is that those who have GB News as their primary TV news source are now 60% Reform, 16% Conservative
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Print seems to be largely a vanity project now.
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A big part of me still hopes for a total tory annihilation - I like the idea that being so demonstrably bad at governing can wipe even the "worlds most successful democratic party", and I really like the idea of the Lib dems as the formal opposition - can you even imagine.
You do obviously worry what happens thereafter. I also am just conditioned to always assume election night makes me feel sh!t, and I expect all my hopes will be dashed and we'll get a mere labour majority.
That'll do, but still.
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I'd like to see the lib Dems in opposition, you just have to hope the candidate vetting has done an ok job.
Ultimately more seats should mean they attract more talented candidates too. Maybe a virtuous cycle...
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Meh I think they would be better off ignoring the GBebbies lot, chasing that vote isn't working out for them
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I have said it all along, I think it will be a total annihilation. Fully accept that I may end up being wrong but I am still strongly leaning towards landslide.
The thing that fills me with hope, whether it is a landslide or a more meagre Labour win, is that after 2019 and the majority the Tories had, how massive a shift there has been. Many were advocating that it would take 2-3 parliaments for Labour to get back in. Yes, The Tories have been atrocious, but they sold the last election on the back of Brexit and this and all their other policies are now being firmly rejected. The idea (can't say fact just yet) that they will lose highlights that the majority of the UK have now finally woken up to the sh!tshow. It does start to feel like some semblance of sanity is being returned. Contrast with Trump and the USA and the difference is quite stark.
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Being aggressively centrist dad helps for candidate selection.
LDs are being very focused on the seats they think they can win. They are not getting carried away by the polls. They need to win enough to be relevant. That will inevitably lead to complaints after the election for not being ambitious enough, but I think on balance it's the right strategy.
Last time LDs polled better than the Tories it was 2010 and that was a real disappointment.
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That doesn't make it very different from any other demographic to be fair.
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I doubt the 240 people who watch GB News are statistically relevant.
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I like Ed Davey and think the LD have some good policy initiatives. The major problem is that I don't think many people take them seriously, and the party themselves seem slightly afraid of having any real power or decision making authority at a national level. They seem more intent on having small amounts of influence at a local level.
As above, their limited track record of holding any sway in 2010 was a minor disaster. I have also noticed that Davey, when questioned about his role in that govt. and the disaster of austerity, refuses to accept any culpability for his or the wider LD role in the coalition at the time. He would be better off accepting they got it badly wrong and making the case they would be a stronger party this time if they are anywhere close to being in opposition.
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Agreed - it's obvious that's what he's trying to say without saying it.
It's the same as Starmer yesterday saying that he didn't really believe Corbyn would be a good PM when he said it 5 years ago while squirming to avoid actually saying it.
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Edd Davey have come across as a joke so far in the little I have seen of him. Pretend falling off paddle boards and hoping to be interviewed on a water slide. How can anyone take him as a serious politician.
This should be the election where they do really well, but they have been totally anonymous for the last 5 years, and now come up with pathetic stunts to try to get attention.
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Becoming the main opposition Party could be a real boost for them, I suspect at present a lot of people consider them irrelevant (not helped by them hiding in the shadows since 2015).
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I mean, he's just running a very similar the same campaign as BoJo which BoJo won with 80 seats, just with different policies.
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I do wonder what the ceiling on the centrist dad vote is though? I'd also guess that centrist dad disagrees with the strong NIMBY vibes that the lib Dems give off at a local level.
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