2024 Election thread
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He could easily have got a place at Oxford without Eton and I suspect all the writing jobs he got were based on the awards he won for writing at university. He was very popular, and made loads of connections that way.
I really don't care which school someone went to
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Cameron would be a better example.
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"He was very popular, and made loads of connections that way."
I'd like a PM to have more than a knowledge of the classics, personality and being popular.
It's only a personal opinion though and seemingly increasingly at odds with the population.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I don't think that every middle class parent is just a Karen.
To be honest it feels like a storm in a teacup of a policy. I'd argue that the industries where a private school education isn't a significant advantage are few and far between though.
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He's a genuinely bright guy. He is not a details person, but that's not an impediment to running a country. Regardless of what you think of his actual politics, his main problem is his relationship with the truth. If he wasn't addicted to the thrill of not telling the truth, he'd have been a multi term prime minister.
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Meh you can be “bright” and thick as shit at some things. Heaven knows I’ve seen my fair share growing up.
BoJo is not bright when it comes to things like assessing risk for his own actions, for example.
He’s not particularly bright when it comes to relationships, for example.
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I don't think you can separate the aspects of his personality out like that though. The bluster is central to his appeal, but makes him chronically unsuited to bring PM. And whilst I would agree that you don't need to be a details person to be PM ( and in fact being a details person is probably harmful) I'd say you can probably go too far the other way.
Personally I suspect he might be the guy that the nerds at private schools hate because he manages to combine being a bit geeky getting good grades without trying hard, and worst of all, enough charisma to be popular and not get bullied.
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They ought to really be trying to get more talk about their GB Energy idea than this. It seems a far more important issue in several ways (environmental, cost of living, business)
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I never saw the bluster, or the impractical ideas as being particularly the issue. He just needed a few Humphrey Applebys around him. Even Cummings in principle was a helpful counter balance.
The issue was that he used that bluster to obscure the truth. That went beyond not knowing things to outright lies.
This isn't to say I agreed with his politics, because to be honest we never really knew what they were, because of all the lies. But there were good ideas buried in there somewhere, and the Tories took a long time to come to the realisation that the slight honesty and integrity problem he had simply could never be fixed, such that they could never really benefit from all that innate charm and charisma.
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My experience as well. A guy I grew up with was registered as a genius, straight A's on way more subjects than is normal. Thick as pigshit in the real world and not an ounce of common sense.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Meanwhile, in the real world of not being diverted by private schooling, Thick Lizzy Lettucehead is showing some strong vibes.
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Is this ad meant to be an attack on Rayner?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
There is an awful lot of generously interpreting Johnson's personality on here. Compulsive lying, an inability to consider or care about consequences, reckless decision making, lack of empathy, exaggerated sense of self importance. All seems quite reminiscent of a narcissistic personality. The charm isn't really charm at all, it is an act to manipulate and get what you want. Genuinely charming and charismatic people IME never try to be so, and never realise they are. They have a sense of modesty which Johnson most definitely does not.
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I'd add to that he probably wasn't bullied at school because he was doing the bullying.
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My thoughts exactly, really not getting the admiration being shown here.
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We need more MPs like Jess Phillips (whichever side they are on).
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spot on
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I think people are getting confused. He is a total chopper. Dishonest, in it for himself etc. I don't admire him at all. But he is not stupid. Correctly channeled, his apparent charm and charisma, real or not (and to be honest most of you are duped by most charming people, as far as I can see) was a powerful tool. The Tories took a very long time to reluctantly relinquish that.
In terms of "admiration" it is still okay to acknowledge visionary thinking, or the capacity for it. Replacing Heathrow would, long term, be a good idea. That's why other world cities have made analogous decisions already. I can see the reasoning behind small scale nuclear reactors, unfortunately not the physics. But if someone can effectively pull the reins, batshit ideas never happen and the good ones are allowed through, and the leader gets credit for throwing shit at a wall.
Boris was not controllable though, so ultimately he was useless.
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Where's Spaffer's London Garden Bridge? Or his even more ridiculous Scot - NI bridge? 'Course his 'consultant' mates made a load of dosh on the 'research'. Aux armes citoyenes.
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Some ideas were better than others. And there was no Humphrey.
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Good news for the Tories.
Polling suggests they'll hold off the challenge from the Lib Dems and form the Official Opposition
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Yea this is exactly it, I find him deeply unlikeable for a variety of reasons, but, ultimately he's been very effective in getting the positions he wanted.
The idea that he's not successful at relationships for example is just silly IMO. He's very successful at them, on his own terms. He gets what he wants, and fuck the other party.
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The LDs are funny. A lot of national polls suggest that the majority view is that Brexit was a mistake. They are the only national party that are critical of Brexit. Yet nationally, they basically poll nowhere. However, the in-depth polls reckon they will get a good number of seats.
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Or as The Telegraph puts it:
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Yea, when I say stupid things I don't believe I whisper them too.
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Please tell me that’s satire?
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If only. I suspect Labour will have a comfortable margin but that poll seems ridiculous. I doubt it will be much more than the Tories won last time, I just hope it gets put to better effect.
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