Giro 2024:- Stage 19: Mortegliano – Sappada, 157.0km ***Spoilers***
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41kph on an alleged Giro mountain stage.
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Cracking win 👍️
Words you thought you'd never use: How good have AG2R been this year?
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Peloton a long way down the hill
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Plapp was an absolutely shit today. Sprinting against Navarez for 4th and 5th.
Alaphilippe ended up dropped.
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Nairo
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Geraint gets his compulsory crash
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G crashed FFS
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Cat Killer becomes G killer.
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And broken bike.
Hit the cat killer’s rear wheel
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Tiberi waiting ....fair enough
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Did pog tell everyone to wait?
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Nearly took Pog and Martinez with him. Majka calls a halt and the front letting him get back and G goes to the front to say thank you.
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Pogacar does the unthinkable and stops the race from racing.
A quick chat after Geraint gets back.
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Majka owes Geraint a favour. Took him out of the 2017 Tour when he was in yellow.
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God yeah
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Not a uneventful stage
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Very lucky boy there 100% his own fault
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Not sure it was 100% his own fault, anyone drifting over the road should be checking their shoulder first which Tiberi didn't.
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I like G and dislike Tiberi but that was 100% G's fault. Fortunately, no harm done.
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I disagree (with Pross) and agree with DeadCalm.
Tiberi's movement wasn't sudden and didn't look intentional-blocking, Thomas was simply not paying proper attention, after looking backwards for whatever reason.
I also disagree with the waiting for Thomas when the fall was his own fault.
But then I generally don't agree with much of the waiting which sometimes goes on, when a main competitor has a mishap, takes a pee, or whatever. Why not also wait for someone who has a mechanical, afterall in most cases that wouldn't have been the rider's fault or mistake.
I don't really remember it happening years ago (although of course years ago we only got to see highlights, not the whole race). The first occasion I remember is Armstrong waiting for Ullrich. But then Armstrong knew he could be magnanimous, because he already was confident he would win overall anyway.
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I don't really care, but that was a classic case of six of one, half a dozen of the other when it comes to apportioning blame. Thomas looked back because he was expecting Tibieri to hold his line, Tibieri moved gradually because he expected those behind him to notice his movement and track it. There was no intent, just one of those things.
I think waiting was absolutely the right thing to do, as the racing wasn't on, and taking advantage of someone's misfortune at that point isn't the done thing.
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Exactly. My response wasn’t suggesting it was entirely Tiberi’s fault or that he did anything particularly wrong. I was just disagreeing that it was 100% his (Geraint’s) own fault which was the original comment. It was just an unfortunate bit of timing.
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Ah well, one can PTP the wrong Italian rider to get the breakaway win.
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Waiting on the main protagonist’s has been a thing for a long time. Certainly decades before Armstrong.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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It signified the end of the stage.
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You'd have to name examples for me to believe you; your 'certainly decades before Armstrong' would mean at least during the 1970s-1990s. Hinault?
I've watched on TV, sometimes live, sometimes highlights, from the late 1970s onward, and the first instance of waiting I remember was in 2001 when LA waited for Ullrich, who on a curve went over a barrier.
Even if it is nowadays thought acceptable when the main protagonist has a cycling mishap of his own making, firstly Thomas wasn't the main protagonist on stage 18, Martinez was, and secondly it doesn't explain why the same principle is not applied when the main protagonist has a mechanical, to my mind a much more valid reason as (usually) not of his own making..
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Meh it's all mental games. Armstrong basically waited for Ulrich because he knew he'd do him in mentally if he did - "I can beat you even if I wait for you to climb out of a ravine - you don't have that killer instinct". He doesn't want to rile Ulrich up and motivate him to really race him.
Had Armstrong been behind and Ulrich in yellow, I can guarantee you Armstrong would not have waited.
Vingers waiting for Pog when he crashed was the same.
When the guy behind waits for the guy ahead who crashed - that's where it gets more interesting. Are they so confident? Are they accepting defeat? Do they even care enough about victory?
But yes, if the race isn't on, it's just not on kicking the race off to make use of misfortune. Greyer when the race is on.
But let's not pretend Armstrong did anything out of chivalry. It was to help him win.
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