2024 Election thread
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I give her a bit of a pass. I think she wanted to try to do stuff properly but was surrounded by people on her own side who just wanted to wreck everything. No Tory PM at that time was going to survive whilst trying to be a serious politician.
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Vote Out to Help Out.
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He is a liar. He is the equivalent of someone having been given their redundancy notice but not escorted out of the premises. He couldn't give a fuck.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
And?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Good point, expect the Boomer thread to get a bit of a beating this summer.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I suspect May will end up being seen merely as a bad PM, whereas the others will be historically bad.
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Starmer is a boomer. Sunak is 1 year short of being a millennial….just sayin’.
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I'd put them in the following order: Johnson, May, Sunak, Truss. I'd need to think a bit about where to put Cameron.
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Some gall listing Brexit as one of the difficulties the UK has faced.
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Sunak has played most cards, but he hasn't gone on about avocado theft yet.
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Hunt seemed to include the 2008 financial crisis among the major shocks since 2010.
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And we're no longer 'waiting to see'
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Presumably that's best to worst?
I think Johnson broke new ground in terms of shamelessness, still ended up with a terrible Brexit deal, wasted what could have been political good will with the Covid response and failed to deliver on any levelling up policy.
May was very weak and poorly advised.
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If only someone inside No 10 could have thrown a towel out of the door during Sunak’s announcement. It would have been so metaphoric.
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Amazing scenes
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Bless ‘em.
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Hypothetically, he could have called it to preempt a leadership challenge.
Or they could be a bunch of self entitled posh dockheads.
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Yes, best to worst.
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I suppose social media wasn't really such a thing in 1997, but the amount of delight from nearly all quarters that we're at last going to be able to tell this shambles what we think of them is quite something. It's probably just as well that Starmer will not fall into the trap that Kinnock did (in a previous election) in thinking that it's all over.
Anyway, there are some good memes going round (not least about the drowning Sunak), but I like this one particularly.
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July 4th 2024, Independence Day from this shit storm of a government.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The whole campaign seems to be based on ‘the plan is working’ which is pretty much like a good old ‘the cheque’s in the post’. Sunak is even saying the first Rwanda flights will be in early July so either in the few days before the election as a very cynical political move so they can then attack Labour for stopping them or is an admission that after all this time nothing is going to happen. He’s also distancing himself from any part of the Tory government before he was Chancellor.
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It's a difficult sell, as they've failed on nearly metric, even on their own self-chosen promises. All they can do is to try to blame other people and 'circumstances' (except their Brexit Frankenstein) and try to paint Starmer's Labour as still being Corbyn's, and it looks like no-one buys that.
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This is a genuine question, but which end of your list is "really bad" and which is "even worse than that"? One could make a sensible argument for either given that order.
FWIW, my order, baddest (as PM for the country) first is: Johnson, Truss, Sunak, May and Cameron.
Tough call between Johnson and Truss, but Johnson shades it on account of multiple personality failings. Truss was mad, but I don't think she was genuinely narcissistic in the way Johnson is.
Different order in terms of talent as a politician, with order (baddest again first): Sunak, May, Truss, Cameron and Johnson. It's a shame Johnson used his political talents solely to benefit himself.
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Only just saw the announcement. He looked thoroughly depressed when he turned back into no. 10. I think in his mind he was going to be giving a speech in the brilliant sunshine and greeted by wild applause when he finished. It was like a metaphor of his time as PM.
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Reminded me of Steve McClaren and the wally with a brolly headlines except in this case the wally didn’t even think to have a brolly.
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Yesterday's shambles was a perfect example of Sunak's failings as a politician. The process was entirely under his control, yet it still ended up with him being laughed at, drowned out by Tony Blair's theme tune, soaking wet, and likely with a badly damaged pair of very expensive shoes. If my dog had organised the announcement then Sunak would have ended the day with more credibility.
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6 weeks more of this hahahaha quality.
Im sure I’ll end up worrying down the road so I’m gonna enjoy this moment while I can.
Electioneering wise July 4 is mildly good for Tories or more accurately worse for labour, but that’s about all I can muster for the Tories.
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If they'd written this as a scene in The Thick Of It, it would have seemed ridiculous.
The imagery will stick, as will the symbolism of it. Even if it were contrary to their/his record, it would still be gold for Labour; as it is, it will only reinforce most people's already baked-in wish to see the back of them.
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I forget exactly how old you are, but my recollection is that you are still young enough to be naturally optimistic that a change of government in challenging times might bring about material improvements. When you're as old as me, you're cynical enough to know that this isn't really likely. That said, ditching the Tories will give me more hope for the future of government "for the people" rather than "for the party", and hope is still a powerful commodity, even at my age!
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