The boomers ate all the avocados
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It’s not really about the driving. It’s about the sentiment that young people can’t have anything anymore.
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Given some of the insurance quotes I've seen I do wonder how on earth most young people can afford driving. Regardless of extra proposed legislation. Which will likely just be ignored anyway.
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unless the data are normalized to the male:female driver population ratio in each age band, i'd assume it's because woman tend to outlive men
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Have to agree, I think car insurance for younger drivers is a disgrace. It is purely anecdotal, but a number of family friends have kids/grandkids who has recently passed their tests. Ages from 18-21 and they are all paying between £3500 and £4500! Most of them paid less for their actual cars.
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Based on our staff there's a trend of just not bothering to learn to drive until one's late 20s/early 30s anyway. That's probably a very Londoncentric trend though.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I didn't think insurance was that bad for some. I paid 200 for a mini in mid 80s so that was pretty dear back then. Not sure what it would equate to now but don't think it would be far off prices today. Youngest lad pays 1700 for C1 fully comp with a black box which I thought was reasonable ish for the car. His mates are driving 1 series BMW, Audi,s etc and wondering why they're paying 3k. Have to say I think black boxes for new drivers is a good idea, they can help a new driver if involved in an accident that's not there fault. Mates daughter was told an accident was her fault until police reviewed the black box data that proved she was stationary. It was automatically assumed new young driver was at fault. Taxi driver got nailed by police and lost his licence and got done for various other things.
Too many bikes according to Mrs O.0 -
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Expensive insurance for younger drivers isn't a new thing. I remember paying £900 for third party fire & theft cover on a 205 GTI that cost me less than 4 grand back in 1994. I was 28 with a few years NCB, so not exactly that young nor a new driver.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
A young male driving a 205 GTi is asking to have their pants pulled down on insurance though.
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So imagine what the premium would have been if I was still in my teens. Like I said, expensive car insurance for young drivers isn't new.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Wraparound hours do exist though.
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Because their premiums are going up and someone told them it's all the young'uns and uninsured foreigners. They read it on Facebook so it must be true.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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This article from Guardian website does seem to point the finger at cost-engineering accident claims firms milking the public.
No wonder my SIL and bruv both had their cars written off recently for rel minor damages caused by muppet drivers. And their premiums in the new world being jacked up.
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yeah the car keying cost the insurer £2200 to fix, so I paid the full £650 excess. Seems a lot since the car only cost £13k
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I don’t think graduated driving licenses are a bad thing. The people pushing hardest for them seem to be the parents of youngsters who died in RTCs. Older people get bad generally as a result of deteriorating health and don’t stop when they should due to a fear of losing independence. It’s something that needs clamping down on because of that reluctance for them to make the right choice.
Younger drivers (and younger male drivers in particular) mainly have collisions as their driving ability doesn’t match their confidence. This was the case when I was that age and is still the case now. There are particular times where the risk is higher e.g driving at night or with passengers so restricting those high risk areas in the early days of their life as drivers makes sense.
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Unfortunately nothings really changed over the years. Cars are definitely safer but way quicker. Youngsters are more likely to dabble in illegal substances nowadays compared to in the past as more readily available. As to graduated licences I'm all for that, but we need to ensure that apprentices can get to work at night and early starts etc. When my eldest was looking for his first insurance it was a bit of a mine field with some companies saying not nighttime driving or rush hr and even motorway driving for the first 12 months. There were other conditions on them as well, seemed a little easier when the youngest son passed his test just before Christmas. As to car repairs, repairers will only fit new OEM parts and they cost a fortune. What would have been an easy repair 10yrs ago is now a write off.
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Not convinced there are more opportunities for intoxication than before. Suspect it's just a different mix of substances as alcohol is now more expensive.
Also not convinced that people who have lost children to dangerous driving are the right people to be steering legislation. Feels a bit 'something must be done'.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Yeah, the most vocal parent I’ve heard is very much ‘I hadn’t realised what they were doing’. Other countries do the restrictions on what and when you can drive though. Restricting times can be a pain though, I remember my daughter having a black box when she first passed and having to wait until 5.30am or whatever it was before she could head off to the stables every morning.
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That's what free bus passes and the like are for.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What’s that got to do with restricting under 25s?
Old drivers are as dangerous as young ones. If it’s a safety issue, it’s not an issue that is exclusive to under 25s.
This parliament is a gerontocracy who insist on restricting the freedoms of the young, either indirectly or directly.
As the proposal currently stands, a 25 year old with a family wouldn’t be allowed to drive their kids around. Ridiculous.
why do these people hate young people so much they want to restrict everything they do?
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It was in reply to your point about old drivers...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It’s different issues that create the problem with older drivers. Why does everything have to be a generational war for you? Graduated licences aren’t going to reduce road collisions for older drivers, having to pass regular eyesight and health tests are what is needed there.
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the oldies are more likely to vote tory
i'd guess restricting the young plays well to the reactionary oldies
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Agree with @Pross that regular independent tests for oldies on sight and reaction times would be a good idea. My gran continued driving too long, because no-one who looked after her health had the courage to 'take away her independence'. Fortunately the minor crash she had that persuaded her to give up hurt no-one, but it shouldn't have got to that.
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I would like to see driving licence expire completely at 80 with annual review tests after 70. And just to show all is fair as others have said a graduated driving licence for the start of the motoring journey, whatever age you start.
Oh and prioritise public transport to make it more attractive.
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Is it acceptable to that if there’s evidence to show a particular group is at risk from certain things?
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well no as you end up legislating our all sorts of activities out.
You’d save more lives banning motorbikes before this, but then that affects all adults not just young people.
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Are they restricting on generation or age?
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