2024 Election thread
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Given the noise they made around the Conservatives changing PM without calling an election, they're about to be in a very tight spot.
I'm not sure if there's a charismatic potential leader waiting in the wings who could give them a bounce.
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Politics is so divisive up there, the PR system could be a real issue, and hamper anyone making good policy.
Hard to tell if there will be an early Holyrood election. My money is on an interim leader who smooths things out with the Greens,.followed by the coronation of a religious extremist - if she is mad enough to want the job.
Either way, I don't see the SNP being anything other than a bunch of people with vastly differing views other than one policy, any time soon. And right now, because their holy grail is further away now than at any time in the last 20 years, they can't even agree on that.
I honestly don't know what more Yes voters need to be persuaded that the independence movement is a bad idea, other than this shambles of local government. I can only presume that the polls on that now reflect muscle memory more than anything.
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I don't know if I'm stretching it, but I do wonder if the Tories have become such a shambles for the same reason the SNP have: one ideological issue ('sovereignty') that comes before good governance (or even precludes it).
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Do we think a revolving cast of leaders is going to become more normal? Or do we think that the current flux is specific to SNP/Tories and not indicative of a wider trend?
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It is indicative of populism and flip flopping to suit. Which in turn is becoming the wider trend.
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I don't necessarily think a revolving door of leaders is an issue. However, what is an issue is when a replacement comes in with a totally different set of policies that saw their party get elected in the first place.
Trussnomics would struggle to win a 80 seat majority
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With the current Government it has been their better policy pledges that have got sacrificed (environmental and planning for instance) although I suspect they were low on the list of priorities for those that voted them in.
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Isn't the old leader, and by definition their policies, kicked out for becoming unpopular within the party?
PS - Is there another reason for Yousaf leaving other than the coalition breakdown due to cutting green targets?
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Unless you count being a lying scoundrel as an official policy (which would probably be fair enough for Johnson) I don't really see Boris as being kicked out for purely policy reasons.
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Fair, I suppose. I also suppose that the nutters within the party used it as excuse to get their lead nutter in. 😉
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For me, populism is about people looking for a silver bullet. On that basis I completely agree.
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This is a fair analysis.
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I find it really amazing that MPs don't appreciate this point more.
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Westminster bubble.
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I'd guess it's to nuanced to make into a soundbite. Particularly as Johnson's policies were never that clear, and Covid kind of wrecked any long term plans ( or covered up the lack of any long term plans).
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trouble is that successive governments have not acted to fix the uk's low/no productivity growth
they just try to distract from that failure with issues that will not materially affect the core problem
it's not a problem unique to the uk, similar in much of europe including non-eu, since the gfc things didn't really recover for many, in the western world one clear exception is the usa
i suspect a lot of this is the result of succumbing to the temptation of, mostly, far eastern tat, enabled by the rise of amazon et al. providing easy access to it (and the failure of most countries to take action to address the obvious threat)
inevitably this was at the expense of local producers, gradually the tat producers move up the food chain, wiping out more and more local production
the usa has the scale to retain a lot of local production, especially when assisted by protectionist measures
with ageing populations and growing benefits costs, uk/similar countries need to grow productivity, otherwise we can all look forward to increasing tax burden and declining services/infrastructure
china...
usa...
uk...
germany...
italy...
france...
switzerland...
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Ha. Conservative MP Tom Hunt prevented from voting by his own party's attempts to rig elections, sorry "prevent election fraud".
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I see Galloway is busy reminding everyone what a piece of work he is.
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I saw yesterday that Monty Panesar had been selected by his party to stand at the general election.
Now I enjoyed him as a cricketer, but I think it is unfair to him to put him in any position where he needs to answer questions.
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Surely he'd be able to put a positive spin on things?
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If you haven't seen his Mastermind appearance, you will never in a million years guess his answer to the question "In an 1819 poem, what season of the year does Keats describe as a season of mists and mellow fruitfulness?"
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I've had leaflets through the door from Lib dems, Labour, Green and Independents (who will almost certainly win a massive majority as they always do) for the local council elections.
Not a peep from the conservative candidate and I can't find anything online beyond her name.
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Only got police and crime commisioner elections here and whilst I don't like not using my democratic right I view that one as a completely useless waste of time and not worth any effort. Really struggling to understand why they were introduced.
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It's just 4 candidates saying they want more visible policing as far as I can tell, I haven't meaningfully engaged with it.
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I had loads of leaflets, but just checked the GTTO site to see who to vote for. As expected, it's Labour despite the affluence (and probably partly because of the effluence).
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I am happily untroubled by leaflets, except from Scottish Labour via postal redirection.
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Oh yes, I forget you're an immigrant. Or a refugee. Or something.
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The "right kind" of economic migrant. 😉
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