2024 Election thread
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Richard Tice is trying to blackmail Jonathan Gullis via public social media.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Of course I had to check out what you are referring to... amusing.
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I guess that the DM is still wanting to shore up the Tories' vote, and as their attacks on Labour aren't shifting the dial much, they might as well try to bring back the even loonier right-wing goons.
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Meanwhile, the Sun (as noted in Private Eye) is inching towards not casting Starmer as a dangerous leftie, probably realising it's going to have to suck up to him if it wants to have any influence over the next government...
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However low you think is the bottom, they seem to be able to find even greater depths. Quite the feat. One can only think that they think nastiness is a positive character trait.
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Just wonder how bad it's gonna get when we are actually in the run-in. Election not even called yet.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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Yup, this feels like they are so intent on chasing the RUK & Britain First xenophobes, they've forgotten that they need more than those to get elected. They've lost their heads. I think it'll just cement in people's minds that all they are voting for is to get rid of them.
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They don't seem to understand that the very vocal minority are just that, a (small) minority. I guess it is a problem when you make all your policies based on who is shouting loudest.
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I see it more as weak leadership allowing an unmasking of a section of the party that has always been there. The loonies are now running the asylum. It will come full circle in time, like it did with labour. However it is taking longer because they accidentally won a single issue election while it was happening.
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I would have said it was the single issue that empowered the nutjobs to feel they could be so open about their views, they saw that issue as vindication of their wider views. It certainly led to an increase in their numbers in Parliament.
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There is an argument that they need to head off being squeezed by Reform and that picking up their votes would mean they would comfortably avoid dropping below 100 seats.
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It's a sign of what a broken party they are: given that they are going to lose the lection anyway, they ought to be focused on a longer-term goal of becoming credible again. Going further to the right to appease the committed xenophobes isn't going to achieve that.
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Isn't it just easy answers to difficult questions, combined with blaming local government for national government cuts.
New Labour actually seem to have had a marginally better record on immigration numbers than the current iteration of the Tory party, the only thing that brought immigration numbers down during Tory rule was a global pandemic.
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It is repeating the same mistake they made with UKIP though.
How long before the penny drops that they are losing more votes from the centre, chasing the far right protest votes to Reform? Very shortly after the next election I suspect.
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Whips don't usually announce it on social media.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Part of it is down to the electoral maths of where the voters are and where the Tories need them, combined with the likelihood they can win them back over. How likely are they to win over centre voters versus picking up scared reform voters at the prospect of labour with an almost 400 seat majority.
I think it works out for every percentage point they pick up off Reform they gain something between 14-20 seats, (roughly) and if they get nearer 7% they'll gain nearer 100 more seats than current polling which is a vast difference.
I also suspect the more grown up Tories in safe seats are letting all the mentals die on their own sword and they'll take the opportunity to swoop in, grab control and rebuild it.
That certainly seems to be the approach of my former classmate and arch enemy (unfortunately).
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It's the public bit that is surprising(ly stupid).
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Imagine you are a Conservative MP still in touch with reality and looking to take the election seriously, what would you actually campaign on? The economy, housing and the NHS are best avoided, the trains are dysfunctional, the roads are full of holes and then there is the sewage problem (which I think is a much bigger problem for them than they realise), so what does that leave?
It's no wonder we are seeing flyers from sitting Tory MP's where they pretend not to be party members and champion only local issues, the one I saw had a bit about a new children's play area somewhere, that's mickey mouse level for an MP but it is because nationally they have nothing to offer, both in terms of achievements and the future.
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I think it would be a variety of, support to Ukraine, getting brexit done, getting vaccine done, lowering taxes and free childcare.
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Don't forget halving inflation from when it was double what it is now, in a few months time. So can campaign about being ahead of target.
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I was going to jokingly say ‘we got Brexit done’ but that one has gone so I’m going with ‘world leading COVID vaccine’ and maybe ‘reduced small boats’ (obviously leaving off whilst increasing legal migration to record levels).
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I was being semi serious with brexit!
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It will be popular with an element but anyone with eyes will question what we’ve gained to make it worthwhile.
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Jeeeez, that YouGov MRP. 11 Cabinet ministers predicted to lose their seats.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I have a feeling that constituents of ministers in the public eye will take particular pleasure in doing their bit to get rid of them and have their Portillo moments - I think that Carol Vorderman's efforts to promote tactical voting will play some part, given her public profile and determination.
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I'm beginning to think that the Reform vote is reaching a critical level at which it won't evaporate in the polling booth
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