The boomers ate all the avocados
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For goodness sake, lots of houses being built, and you denigrate it because you want the entire problem sorted now. It's taken two or three generations to turn into this mess, and it'll probably take just as long to sort it out. I'm starting to think you just want ammunition to throw at boomers, so ignore anything that doesn't impinge upon what you perceive as their undeserved fortune.
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It's not on track to sort the problem though. Lots of new homes near you doesn't change that.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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See comments re Gove and planning system. We know it's not enough, but it's significant, and better than nothing. Whatever you do, it's going to take decades to improve significantly. There's the whole juggernaut of the house building industry which (understandably) will want to preserve their margins (I dare say RC occasionally recruits for the top honchos in the business, who will be rewarded on their profit margins), and then the workforce available to build hundreds of thousands of new homes (the problem reference by @rjsterry). I know RC wants a quick fix, preferably paid for by boomers, but there ain't one.
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Ah well as long as it's better than nothing 😂
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Exeter doubling in size in my time here is more than a bit 'better than nothing'.
Anything constructive to add?
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You used the phrase better than nothing not me.
It comes across as expecting young homebuyers to be grateful prices are just accelerating less quickly.
I can understand why Rick ends up getting frustrated with the narrative.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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The size of any 1 small city in isolation is obviously irrelevant to a debate on number of houses in the whole country.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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And Rick doesn’t want to live in Exeter. 😤
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Well, RC's and your responses seem to belittle any progress that has been made, albeit progress is patchy nationally, and would have been better has Gove not chickened out. Exeter is a good example of what could be done if the will was there.
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Confession time. I'm about to object to a planning proposal
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I think it's that, at best, that sort of think can only hope to put a mild reduction in the acceleration what feels like an issue that is completely out of control. So it's not really progress.
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Well maybe you're wrong. I'd support mandatory housebuilding targets, but the transformation ain't going to happen overnight, even if you could get all the workforce and materials to provide a rapid expansion. Come to Exeter and you'd see the new town of Cranbrook, the massive expansion of Topsham, Alphington and Pinhoe, lots of brownfield sites in Exeter being built on, at least one more new town near Exeter Airport proposed, 500 houses on the farm where I used to milk cows, and my only opposition would be if they didn't provide a shared use bridge over the M5 for the 500 houses, as it would be an estate only accessible by car, and it would be a transport nightmare. But, fair play to Exeter & Devon County Council, they do seem to consider active transport as central to any expansion.
Oh, and I can see towns along the Okehampton line being earmarked for expansion, not least Okey, as the hourly service into the heart of Exeter is superb now.
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Sorry, what's out of control? I've no idea what you're talking about, I'll admit, as I'm not sure what's accelerating that's being reduced. Surely too much control is the issue, and mandatory democratically imposed targets are the only way forward
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Sure. I can count 5 major housing developments within a 20 minute drive from where I live.
Reality is though we need around 340,000 new homes a year and we’re not even getting to 300,000.
Every year the gap widens.
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OK, fine, make the numbers mandatory. No argument from me.
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I mean you can make them mandatory but it has to make commercial sense.
The govt building 1 million houses in Cumbria is unlikely to solve it either.
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Ah, so are you saying that the problem is not quite so simple to solve as blaming boomers or making ambitious targets mandatory? If so, we might be getting somewhere.
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We'd also be getting somewhere if you stopped bringing up some anecdotal houses around Exeter as if that was some kind of counter argument to there not being enough houses built nationally every year.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Well, there were 261,189 long term empty properties in November so that would be of some help.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I never said that, it's just an example of what can be done, if the will is there. And they are real houses... so sorry if they are inconvenient to your argument (whatever it is now).
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I suspect a lot of house building would be commercially viable with a more flexible and less onerous system.
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Quite likely, but @rjsterry would have a better handle on that.
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We have built something like 200-250k per year for the last few years, nobody disputes that.
As Rick says the government target is 300k and we need even more than that.
Not sure what pointing to some of the ones that were built adds.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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That's not a boomer issue though, is it?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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There's a fairly good chance that they want to live there though and get first dibs being the owners and all.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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It does seem that your main focus is that you want to free up housing stock that is desirable to you and your mates. What about first time buyers, people on low incomes and those that generally need a house but not a 5 bed detached being taken up by a boomer? I would be more concerned with building/freeing up houses for them as I suspect they are the most in need of housing, not people who want a slightly bigger house.
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