2024 Election thread
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It would be pretty on trend for the triple lock to remain until the boomers have milked it, then for the whole thing to start winding down
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Triple lock is done already.
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They're all saving plenty for their pensions right?
Right!?
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So you think that the income tax burden is too high?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Why do you think they are referred to as boomers?
Yes, its a bulge in the birthrate from the late 50s and early 60s coming through. The baby boomers.
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Not sure how to highlight a section in a quote these days but in answer to your final sentence isn’t it because they still rely on newspapers to inform their opinions and that is the line the majority of those papers have been peddling for decades? They seem to be a highly gullible generation (see various stories of being scammed).
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I think that is very harsh Pross to suggest they a gullible.
People of all ages get scammed, but when you didn't grow up with the technology and didn't use it in the workplace it is easier to make mistakes or not check everything how you should when trying to use current tech.
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Thanks for the correction; I was lumping the first stakeholder scheme in with the later system. It's certainly a start but it is difficult to persuade graduates in their twenties that they need to start putting a significant chunk away with the triple lock in place and retirement age inching up in very small increments. I think a bit more encouragement would be in order.
As regards suggesting an NIC reduction to compensate for removal of the state pension that defeats the purpose. In any case, there are already tax incentives to save into a pension.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Tbh, I was only projecting opinions in the media & here. I do think it would take a bold PM to end the state pension.
I do enjoy stoking the fire that is "Life isn't fair, woe is me, screw the lucky barstewards." 😉
(For full disclosure, I am not one of the lucky barstewards.)
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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It's not their lumpy birthrate I was questioning, more whether it would solve the affordability issue, which would seem to be a much more complex question, involving the number of future tax payers, life expectancy and all sorts.
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Isn't the point of fresher week that you ditch your previous long term relationship. This is just making that easier for foreign students.
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The problem is PhD students. If you discourage those people from coming to the UK, they don't start their academic here and so are far less likely to be here later. I would also be concerned about the UK dropping off reciprocal agreements elsewhere.
It is characteristically short sighted.
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Post graduate research is exempt...would that not mean PhD students?
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I'd have thought so.
Can't see any reason for undergrads to bring their families, especially given how many then disappear into the system.
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Not sure.
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Given a PhD stipend wouldn't be enough for a Brit to bring in a foreign spouse, it seems reasonably generous that a foreign student could bring dependants.
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Okay,looked it up and yes it does. Which is good.
The flip side is that the universities will soon start to bleet about lack of funding for all of the lucrative undergrad degrees that can no longer sell.
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There's a part of me that thinks meh. A good quality undergraduate degree isn't gonna have a shortage of applicants, even if the international students can't bring dependants in.
Some of the numbers quoted about dependent student visas seem extremely high, but I guess they'd need to be properly examined before making a proper judgement on them.
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What seems to me missing is an assessment 9f what difference this might make. I suspect very little.
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I think we might have a Tory policy that might have a little logic in it, even if the outcomes haven't been modelled.
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In the sense that most undergrads don't have dependents, I suspect this policy is little more than a tweet.
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If that's the case, then it's more in character. Can't see it moving any dials much, as they've pulled must of the xenophobic triggers already.
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The number of dependant visas granted last year looks extremely high to me (136000). There's lots of noise around visas being granted for spurious degrees too. However that noise may well be bollocks.
It certainly seems a lot of visas, given a google search suggested PhD places where in the 10s of thousands, and a lot of them would be going to British students...
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Education is the one thing Britain is internationally competitive in that Brits don't actively hate, so it baffles me they're even doing this.
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The issue seems to be the sheer number of study visas, rather than their dependants. And, one could argue, whether or not they stay long term.
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Yeah, that's the the business model though, innit?
Can't have people coming here to study if they can't come here...!?!
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Well that's not how it works elsewhere. Studying here should be a factor in residency thereafter, but not the only one. That's probably the case (not looked into it tbh), but as I understood it, the issue was that "too many" are staying permanently.
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