British Medical Journal online poll
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On helmet compulsion for adults
http://www.bmj.com/
On the right hand side of the page.
Yes or no is all thats needed, not 10 pages of pointless debate on here
http://www.bmj.com/
On the right hand side of the page.
Yes or no is all thats needed, not 10 pages of pointless debate on here
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left a comment:As a cyclist who always wears a helmet, I am against this law as the biggest factor increasing my safety is having more cyclists on the roads; compulsory helmet laws tend to reduce cycling levels. I would also wonder whether this reduction in cycling levels has a greater adverse effect on public health than any potential reduction in head injury rates amongst the remaining cohort of cyclists - many of whom would already have worn helmets.0
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My comment as a helmet wearer:Cycling in itself isn't dangerous. Motorised vehicles are a danger to cyclists. There's nothing about a helmet that makes motorised vehicles drive less dangerously around cyclists, in fact there may be evidence to the contrary.0
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Sigh*0
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I think helmets are, in general, a Good Thing, but I want lighter, easier to carry, and better protection than the current standard requires before compuslsion is considered. Existing models simply do not perform well enough to be worthwhile.0
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posted my vote. thanks for the heads up.0
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Voted yes. Couldn't imagine my son riding in the road without one and personally I will kick his arse if he's ever caught without one.The only disability in life is a poor attitude.0
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Jonny_Trousers wrote:Sigh*
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the helmet debate is simple. It's personal choice. end of.Officers don't run, it's undignified and panics the men0
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bails87 wrote:Mouth wrote:Voted yes. Couldn't imagine my son riding in the road without one and personally I will kick his ars* if he's ever caught without one.
Will he be wearing an ars* helmet? He might be injured otherwise?
Nah, he's got enough padding there already - that's why I bought him a bike........
Also, as a 10 year old I split my head clean open requiring a number of stitches due to a bike accident, and I immediately started wearing a helmet. Until I was 15 or so when I decided I was harder than the road. This was soon disproven with some more stitches and a KO. Had to miss a couple of months of ice hockey. Gutted. This is why I have an inclination towards helmets, at least for kids.The only disability in life is a poor attitude.0 -
NGale wrote:the helmet debate is simple. It's personal choice. end of.0
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First Aspect wrote:NGale wrote:the helmet debate is simple. It's personal choice. end of.
It's the personal choice of their parents.Le Cannon [98 Cannondale M400] [FCN: 8]
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MonkeyMonster wrote:First Aspect wrote:NGale wrote:the helmet debate is simple. It's personal choice. end of.0
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The poll question relates to compulsion for adults. No need for further discussion / debate.0
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First Aspect wrote:MonkeyMonster wrote:First Aspect wrote:NGale wrote:the helmet debate is simple. It's personal choice. end of.
If the decision is based on cost then mandatory helmet wearing will may well put them off getting bikes for the kids in the first place.
Which is better, more people cycling or fewer people cycling but more of them wearing helmets?
See, now I've gone and contributed to a helmet thread; I'm going to feel unclean for the rest of the day. I'm now off to the shoe to scrub myself with bleach.Mud - Genesis Vapour CCX
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This debate was held 30 years ago for seat belts in cars. then gain about 20 years ago for rear seat belts.
who here CHOOSES not to wear one. Won't save your life in a 70mph crash yet we all stick one on.
spend time in A&E and see how many riders come in and need help for head trauma after falling off (not knocked off) and then compare the numbers between helmet wearers and non wearers.
Then the answer is obviousRacing is life - everything else is just waiting0 -
Down the Road wrote:the answer is obvious
You haven't been here long have you?!0 -
Down the Road wrote:spend time in A&E and see how many riders come in and need help for head trauma after falling off (not knocked off) and then compare the numbers between helmet wearers and non wearers.
Then the answer is obvious
Well with that conclusive proof I think we can say the debate is finally closed.
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Down the Road wrote:This debate was held 30 years ago for seat belts in cars. then gain about 20 years ago for rear seat belts.
who here CHOOSES not to wear one. Won't save your life in a 70mph crash yet we all stick one on.
spend time in A&E and see how many riders come in and need help for head trauma after falling off (not knocked off) and then compare the numbers between helmet wearers and non wearers.
Then the answer is obvious
And look at the cost to the NHS of people not taking regular exercise. In every location where helmets have been made mandatory the number of people cycling and (most importantly) number of people taking up cycling plummet.
Forcing people to wear helmets stops them from cycling and the long term benefits of cycling outweigh costs.Mud - Genesis Vapour CCX
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Asprilla wrote:In every location where helmets have been made mandatory the number of people cycling and (most importantly) number of people taking up cycling plummet.
Forcing people to wear helmets stops them from cycling and the long term benefits of cycling outweigh costs.
I imagine its important to distinguish between the initial drop off due to people not having a helmet at the time legislation comes into effect and/or stomping off in na huff, and the long term effects once the population comes to regard helmets and cycling as inseperable.0 -
Asprilla wrote:Down the Road wrote:This debate was held 30 years ago for seat belts in cars. then gain about 20 years ago for rear seat belts.
who here CHOOSES not to wear one. Won't save your life in a 70mph crash yet we all stick one on.
spend time in A&E and see how many riders come in and need help for head trauma after falling off (not knocked off) and then compare the numbers between helmet wearers and non wearers.
Then the answer is obvious
And look at the cost to the NHS of people not taking regular exercise. In every location where helmets have been made mandatory the number of people cycling and (most importantly) number of people taking up cycling plummet.
Forcing people to wear helmets stops them from cycling and the long term benefits of cycling outweigh costs.
They're not riding now so I don't see how making a safety item compulsory is going to deter people too lazy to get off their backsides from riding.
If you want to remember how is easy it is to be killed or seriously hurt by not wearing a helmet look in to the death of Andrei Kivilev. The guys he touched wheels with walked away from this as they had helmets on.Racing is life - everything else is just waiting0 -
Down the Road wrote:Asprilla wrote:Down the Road wrote:This debate was held 30 years ago for seat belts in cars. then gain about 20 years ago for rear seat belts.
who here CHOOSES not to wear one. Won't save your life in a 70mph crash yet we all stick one on.
spend time in A&E and see how many riders come in and need help for head trauma after falling off (not knocked off) and then compare the numbers between helmet wearers and non wearers.
Then the answer is obvious
And look at the cost to the NHS of people not taking regular exercise. In every location where helmets have been made mandatory the number of people cycling and (most importantly) number of people taking up cycling plummet.
Forcing people to wear helmets stops them from cycling and the long term benefits of cycling outweigh costs.
They're not riding now so I don't see how making a safety item compulsory is going to deter people too lazy to get off their backsides from riding.
If you want to remember how is easy it is to be killed or seriously hurt by not wearing a helmet look in to the death of Andrei Kivilev. The guys he touched wheels with walked away from this as they had helmets on.
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are we doing this again?
It's their personal choice ultimately. Their isn't enough statistically provable evidence to categorically state they benefit the wearer. If there was, we wouldn't be having this thread.
I personally wear one. CiB doesn't. We're both right.
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