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Jonny · May 2007

Hope you can help me with a little problem...

Right, I've been using Kubuntu, still on the Edgy Eft because I haven't bothered updating, but I will soon-ish. Anyway, I saw a YouTube vid which showed Beryl, and goddamn that looks pretty. Anyway, I though there ain't any harm in having a go, but I can't get it to work! Have installed a couple of apps through the terminal, but not this.

http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Supp ... _ATI_cards

So I do the direct rendering check thing and I get yes. Perfect. Then when I do 'sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald-themes', I type my password and get

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package beryl

Eh? Very weird... would upgrading to Feisty Fawn solve it? It says 'Use the Feisty's RestrictedDriversManager to install the Graphics card drivers.', so does that mean it's Feisty compatible only?

So yeah, help please. And go easy on me, I'm a long time Windows user [:p]

Big Red S · May 2007

Feisty certainly makes it easier to get beryl/xgl working.

I've no experience of it at all, though. Eye candy _really_ isn't my thing. Most of my boxes don't have X...

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Jonny · May 2007

Ah, thanks anyway. I'll probably upgrade, looks pretty easy...

I'll have a go then.

newmember · May 2007

god i wish i knew what you guys were talking about, i need to upgrade to linux one day....

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Thantos · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by newmember

god i wish i knew what you guys were talking about, i need to upgrade to linux one day....

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If you have no idea, it's probably best that you don't upgrade.
It really does help to have a bit of computer knowledge before using/installing Linux.

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newmember · May 2007

really? [V]..... i was under the impression the Ubuntu and the like were built for people who didn't know a huge amount about computers... what sort of knowledge would i need as i know a fair bit, although most of that is useless for linux....

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Jonny · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Thantos

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by newmember

god i wish i knew what you guys were talking about, i need to upgrade to linux one day....
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If you have no idea, it's probably best that you don't upgrade.
It really does help to have a bit of computer knowledge before using/installing Linux.
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Though I'm not a total idiot with computers, you do learn stuff pretty quickly. And pretty much every bit of advice you need is on Google. When I first saw stuff like 'Go in to the terminal and type sudo apt-get install whatever', I was ever so slightly like 'Dubya-tee-eff'. But I learnt quickly, it's far from difficult now!

newmember · May 2007

hmm, i'll probably read up on it, but i doubt i will upgrade for a while, does anyone know if photoshop is compatible with linux i hear you can do an emulator or sumfink?

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Jonny · May 2007

http://blog.publicidadpixelada.com/how- ... -10-steps/

Wine is the 'emulator', meaning you can run some Windows apps. I've got a couple (7Zip and GrabIt) working perfectly. Might try it with Photoshop as above link... oh and don't be put off by the weird commands. It's actually good!

Big Red S · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Thantos

If you have no idea, it's probably best that you don't upgrade.
It really does help to have a bit of computer knowledge before using/installing Linux.
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It takes no more (less?) understanding of computers to install Linux than it does Windows.
I think Linux is better suited to people with little or no experience of computers than Windows is, since it's all so much easier and more intuitive.

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Tartanyak · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Big Red S

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Thantos

If you have no idea, it's probably best that you don't upgrade.
It really does help to have a bit of computer knowledge before using/installing Linux.
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It takes no more (less?) understanding of computers to install Linux than it does Windows.
I think Linux is better suited to people with little or no experience of computers than Windows is, since it's all so much easier and more intuitive.

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We tested this at work. We gave a guy who's intelligent, but has never installed an OS and got him to install Windows XP, then Ubuntu and give his opinions.

Windows drivers caused a few troubles and he didn't like the installation interface. Ubuntu just worked first time for him - only thing that confused his was when it asked him to set a password.

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Big Red S · May 2007

I think the percieved problems people see with installing Linux are based on difficulties with dual booting (i.e. not flattening the wrong partition, and putting the boot loader into the right one).
But that's really not that difficult, and it's a damn sight easier than making windows dual boot nicely.

As for using it, i've just migrated my smallest nigh-on-PC-illiterate brother (~14) to Xubuntu, and he reckons it's a lot easier to use than his XP install.

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haroexone · May 2007

hey jonny,do you know how to watch dvds on linux?(idiot guide pls)

Jonny · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by haroexone

hey jonny,do you know how to watch dvds on linux?(idiot guide pls)
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TONS of software which has DVD watching. What distribution you thinking of/using? I'm on Kubuntu and use VLC for watching any movie file, really good piece of software. Totem Movie Player is included any works fine for DVDs also. I can't remember if VLC is installed at first but it's really not hard to install...

Matt · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jonny

Hope you can help me with a little problem...

Right, I've been using Kubuntu, still on the Edgy Eft because I haven't bothered updating, but I will soon-ish. Anyway, I saw a YouTube vid which showed Beryl, and goddamn that looks pretty. Anyway, I though there ain't any harm in having a go, but I can't get it to work! Have installed a couple of apps through the terminal, but not this.

http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Supp ... _ATI_cards

So I do the direct rendering check thing and I get yes. Perfect. Then when I do 'sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager emerald-themes', I type my password and get

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Couldn't find package beryl

Eh? Very weird... would upgrading to Feisty Fawn solve it? It says 'Use the Feisty's RestrictedDriversManager to install the Graphics card drivers.', so does that mean it's Feisty compatible only?

So yeah, help please. And go easy on me, I'm a long time Windows user [:p]
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I get the same error when I try to install the ATI drivers, which is why my install is currently useless. Grrr. I'll probably try fix it at some point. Oh, and since upgrading to Feisty I've now lost the ability to see my XP install in the boot loader. *sigh*

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ruane · May 2007

Just one check - have you added the repositories for the Beryl Project and enabled 3rd Party packages. I haven't used Ubuntu for a little while now but I know you have to add the project into your repositories. Although that *MAY* have just been for XGL as I never used Beryl, only XGL.

Big Red S · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by haroexone

hey jonny,do you know how to watch dvds on linux?(idiot guide pls)
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You need libdvdcss

It generally isn't included with anything. If it's in the repositories, it'll be in the multiverse ones.

Which distro and which player?

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Big Red S · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Matt

Oh, and since upgrading to Feisty I've now lost the ability to see my XP install in the boot loader. *sigh*
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Odd.... Whenever I've upgraded in the past, I've had a new entry for Windows added after the one i've modified. Might be worth letting them know.

You want to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add:

 title   Wintendo
 root   (hd0,0)
 makeactive
 chainloader   +1

(hd0,0) means first partition on first disk. Change that if you've put windows elsewhere.

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Big Red S · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jonny

It says 'Use the Feisty's RestrictedDriversManager to install the Graphics card drivers.', so does that mean it's Feisty compatible only?
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No, not at all.
There's very little you can't do on Dapper that you can do on Feisty. Feisty's 'restricted driver manager' is just an easier way of installing non-free drivers (like most ATi and NVidia ones) than the old way (track them down, follow an esoteric install process, restart X, hope, fail, repeat).
If you've got the ATi drivers installed fine already (they might well be easier on whatever it is you're using than they were on my Dapper install) then you can skip that bit. But make sure it's the proper ATi drivers, not the legacy ones. I presume that passing that test means they're good for beryl.

Thought of trying Metisse? Allegedly it's like a more functional Beryl.

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Matt · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Big Red S

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Matt

Oh, and since upgrading to Feisty I've now lost the ability to see my XP install in the boot loader. *sigh*
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Odd.... Whenever I've upgraded in the past, I've had a new entry for Windows added after the one i've modified. Might be worth letting them know.

You want to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add:

 title   Wintendo
 root   (hd0,0)
 makeactive
 chainloader   +1

(hd0,0) means first partition on first disk. Change that if you've put windows elsewhere.

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Cheers. Yeah I did that, but I got a friend to help me as I couldn't actually get Ubuntu to load so we had to do it without the GUI in emacs which was somewhat of a pain, but as he knew what he was doing it was less so.

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Big Red S · May 2007

in emacs? You poor bast[url][/url]ard.

For future reference, ubuntu-core includes vi(m) and nano.

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Matt · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Big Red S

in emacs? You poor bast[url][/url]ard.

For future reference, ubuntu-core includes vi(m) and nano.

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Yeah I know, my friend likes emacs for some reason. Don't ask me what the difference is between them all, they all *appear* to do the same thing.

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Big Red S · May 2007

They do. Except emacs.

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