Lost faith in standard wheels what's an upgrade
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I am always mystified with talk of how different wheels feel to ride, I have never managed to feel the difference between any wheels, I only notice any difference when the tyres are soft because I forgot to check them before a ride or have a puncture.
Probably not cycling fast enough to tell 😄
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I'm glad I asked the question,thanks for the input
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tbf, common theory is that aero benefits do not kick in until the average speed exceeds 18mph while the recreational cyclist speed of has an average below 18 mph. Ergo recreational cyclists are wasting their money.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
But carbon wheels look cool and make you excited to ride your bike. Depending on your perspective that may or may not be the most important thing.
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Carbon wheels only look cool if you don't pair them with disc brakes, but then you have to accept that you won't always stop when you want to and you may brick a rim with overenthusiastic braking on a descent. I'm staying with aluminium (for now).
I guess that if you have already made the faux pas of having a bike with disc brakes then you might as well use carbon rims, at least they might distract the eyes from the ugly discs.
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There's no escaping that carbon rim brake wheels are crap in the wet. But I did make it down the Bealach riding some, so the problems can be over stated. The problem of trashing some by braking too hard are definitely over stated.
One thing no one mentions is that the brake track of carbon rim brake wheels do last for ages.
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Light Bicycle grooved graphene brake tracks plus Ultegra rims brakes work just fine. Not so much in the wet but I have another bike for that! 😉
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Just buy the wheels already!
DT Swiss FTW!
It makes sense. Tried and trusted brand.
Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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How would you feel about descending a 20% Peak District descent with tight hairpins and loose gravel and in the wet? I suppose at least the water should prevent delamination 😀
I lust after a pair of Campagnolo Boras but I am nervous about taking the plunge.
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Er, the Bealach?
I also live between Bodmin Moor and Dartmoor now and the roads here are about as extreme as it gets in the UK for wet, narrow, steep and muddy. If I cycle over Dartmoor there are a couple of 25% signs that I think are underestimates for the straightest line. That's not much fun in either direction regardless of the brakes you are using.
In the wet I'd go for alloy rim brakes, tbh, or one of my disc bikes. If I'm caught out on carbon rims, caution, but I'd survive.
In the dry, delamination has never worried me. The hills aren't long enough.
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I've never done the Bealach, I thought it was a friendly descent? Obviously not.
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Did the descent East from Pico de Las Nieves, Gran Canaria on my carbon clinchers. It is mile after mile of what seemed to be about 10% slopes and had a strong wind behind me. Had to be pretty much constantly on the brakes otherwise the speed was out of control almost instantly.
I had to stop a few times to shake off my arms due to some serious arm pump from the constant braking. I felt the rims on those occasions and they were no more than lukewarm. I think they are rated to about 300° so I'm now pretty confident they will handle anything in the dry.
I certainly wouldn't hesitate to use them for a Fred Whitton - as per FA's comment you're down Hardknott and the steep bit of Honister in a couple of minutes.
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I'm getting there photonic....😃
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Faux pas indeed made.....😮🤣
I'm definitely a disc brake fan
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What's the difference between these 2?
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Ready to pull the pin
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Also I think my discs are 6 bolt and these are centre lock.
I think adaptors available or just get new discs for centre lock
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I bought a pair of https://www.merlincycles.com/shimano-xt-mt800-ice-tec-centrelock-rotor-180696.html to put on my VEL 50 RL wheels that I bought two years back, but still haven't ridden them much since finally setting up in June. These were bought for ~£360 iirc from Sigma, no chance of carbon wheels at that price now from what I can see.
As regards your two DT Swiss wheelsets posted earlier, one difference is the rim depth, 23 vs 32 mm.
The more time you spend above ~20kph and moreso with increasing speed, aero trumps lightweight wheels.
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You really need to be going above 30 kph before minor aero advantages such as those you can get from wheels really makes any significant difference. Unless you're prepared to ride all day at 200 W in an aero tuck forget it.
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30kph is not very fast... its 18.5mph. You don't need to be very fit to spend a decent portion of your ride above that; if you live somewhere flat you don't need to be that fit to average more than that!
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Just to update, I've bought a 2nd hand pair of DT swiss 1400 PRC on eBay.
Look in good condition and seller looks legit.
Still a hefty sum at 640 delivered but hey ho... let's go....
Here's the original link.
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Nice wheels but pretty narrow Vs some today at 18mm internal. They might run better on 25s than 28s. Certainly wouldn't go above that.
Anyway - enjoy - will look lush when fitted!
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Wheels arrived today and look new .
Hit my 1st hurdle though as front wheel has a bigger front axle so had to order a different lock ring to suit .
The one that is tightened by the bb tool .
Rear is same as my previous
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Baffling.
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