TDF 2024:- Stage 19: Embrun – Isola 2000, 144.6km ***Spoilers***

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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730

    The bus will have formed before 25 kms are covered, since the bottom slopes of the Var are the steepest.

    So it’s another long day of handlebar chewing for them.

    Re the early finish: I assume it’s due to there being only one viable exit road.

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  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,485

    On that formula, 16.1km x (7.1x7.1) would score 811 points. Well into the HC. I know it's not "just" maths, but shurely shome mishtake?

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    edited July 19

    Yeah he is on the ropes.

    As I keep saying, recovery is as much about not having to go as deep because your legs are mega, and so good legs make good third weeks.

  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,691

    It's weird. Typically a Cat 1 finish after a couple of hard mountains gets lifted to HC rather than the other way around

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
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  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 784

    I wasn't trying to compare the gradients of the two stretches I mentioned, I know the last bit up to the Cime is steep, I was talking about how I personally found them.

    I've now checked the gradients and the last 2 kms of the Glandon are average 10% with short stretches up to 20%, and I probably pushed so hard there, I had nothing left for the link up to Croix de Fer, which is 2.5 km at 6%.

    The last bit up to the Bonette is on average just under 9% with very brief bits at 13-14%, however the whole 22 kms ascent from Jausiers to Restefond only gets above 10% for a couple of very short stretches, and clearly didn't sap my energy for the final ramp up to the Cime.

  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    I think isila is cat 1 to help someone not on GC to win the polka dots

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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610

    Which side of the Glandon did you go up? North or South?

    I've done both sides and do not recall anything close to 20% on either side.

  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,610

    The views from the top of the col de Vars are spectacular btw. And the descent has incredible tarmac at the moment.

  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    UAE riding for the stage already... soler keeping it pacy

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    Visma sending riders up.the road

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    UAE and Qs sending one rider a piece

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    Jorgensen goes up.the road

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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730

    Who said Visma sending Jorgensen up the road was a sign that Vingegaard was no longer up to the task?

    Cos he’s there….

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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730

    I have noticed that when ITV4 cover the whole stage, Hatch is first up for Eurosport, but when they start late, it’s Kirby.

    Kirby covering the finish today by that reckoning.

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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,691

    It's weird, because it's a classic attacking move as well as a defensive one

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,588

    I'm not convinced satellite riders work that well as an offensive plan. They can be beneficial, as they were the other day, to help out a GC rider in trouble (watch now as Jonas jumps across to Jorgenson on the Bonnette and they do a massive two-up to take the yellow jersey). UAE either not very bothered or expected the teams fancing a stage win to close it down.

  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    Laporte is just there to get Jorgensen up the road I guess

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,588

    They rotate don't they? Hatch did the finish yesterday so it does seem likely to be Kirby today. FWIW I've found him more tolerable in this Tour.

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730

    Laporte definitely driving the break.

    EF given UAE an armchair ride.

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  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 784

    I ridden both sides, but here I mean North side, from La Chambre. About 900 m short of the top, there is about 30 m at 20% followed by 60m at about 15%. The last 2 kms has 4 hairpins, and this very steep bit is just after taking the second hairpin when ascending.

  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    Keldrrman going up the road too ... I guess lemme is the reserve

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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575

    Jorgensen and Kelderman out front. Which could be interesting.

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730

    Not sure why, but Kelderman goes for the sprint points…

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  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 784

    Apparently Vingegaard is riding with just one chainring. Presumably he has intentions or at least ambitions. Or maybe for the last climb he will change bikes?

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,226

    Satellite riders work as an offensive plan only to hammer more nails into a rider that's already been gapped. If Pog had had Adam Yates ahead on stage 11, he'd have won that day.

    This looks to me like they want Jorgenson to win the stage.

  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,691

    He's on whatever their aero model is, but stripped down to around the minimum weight, so no bike change required. They did similar with the TT last year to avoid the change.

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    Where's Ben Healy when you need him..... Ef chasing with a third week fatigued team

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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    edited July 19

    Sorry but I thought that line was the sprint point. Forgot there would be a huge banner!

    Coquard and Turgis: job done

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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912

    Sprint points soaked up by break

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