TDF 2024:- Stage 9: Troyes – Troyes, 199km ***Spoilers***
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Jonas is a much more complete rider than people give him credit for
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
Because it wasn’t selective enough. That was a sizeable peloton at the finish.
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The top guys are just good at riding bikes, despite what Internet forum people say.
"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago1 -
9 stages ...8 different teams winning
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Disagree, the race was in pieces multiple times. It kept coming back together because there was never a constellation that worked.
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La Porte has been sitting at the back of the bunch the whole week till today ...visma held him back
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
If Vingegaard does come into third week form then there could be some big bills to pay for today's efforts by Pog and Remco. Not sure quite how much Roglic was put to work after that first secteur, he was pretty invisible, but whether that was canny hiding or inability to stay anywhere near the front I don't know
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Enjoyed watching, for me unusually but I'm having a lazy day, the last 100+ km of the stage. (I do do a fair bit of gravel riding but maybe just maybe not quite so fast.) This TdF is interesting.
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I think it's odds on that he will hit his third week fitness goal. I really can't see him going the opposite way and fading.
I don't think Pogacar wasted as much energy as he would have in the past. Remco probably fired a bullet or two more, partly due to bad positioning.
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One of the things I find interesting is that even after Pog's been effectively lured into burning matches early in two Tours he still seems to happy to do the same this year. I mean I hope he never changes, as it's bloody good fun to watch and it's part of what makes him the rider he is, but bloody hell, it really is asking for a slapping later.
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Not sure that I buy into the idea that Vingegaard had a free ride today.
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Oh by no means, it was hard for everyone. But he only did as much work as absolutely necessary and for the most part used his team well.
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needed to use his team well, though I suspect Pog’s aggressiveness was really to counter his missing team tbh.
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I thought UAE did OK after getting a little caught out early on - better than I thought they might.
Danish TV were saying Wout may have upped tempo a touch (a lot 😅 ) when Pog stopped for a piss, and the attack (not on a section) by Pog just after Vingegaard swapped bikes was payback (it certainly kept him on Tratnik's bike for the rest of the race).
Can't help wondering if Jonas got both Pog and Remco wound up today and maybe on purpose.
Anyway, here's Remco saying Jonas didn't have the balls today (after completely accepting Vingegaard raced with his brain and made the right decisions)
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Incidentally, Wout - what a rider. Must have died ten times and still came back to the front. That's in spite of being clearly under par. Pog will be looking for a wooden stake.
Visma strategy has been to keep the pace high to blunt Pog's attack - they wanted Jorgensen to do that on Galibier but he didn't have the legs, but Van Aert and the others pretty much had it today
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What I find amazing is that UAE had 6 riders in the peloton at the finish, (Politt sat up and finished a few seconds down) to Visma's 4.
5 of them must be Zubeldia clones.😁
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I like that from Remco.
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It's hilarious. I'm a big fan 😅
I do genuinely like Remco btw
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I was out cycling myself today, but have just finished watching the recording I made, so some thoughts related to the stage and what others have posted:
Re Roglic having to do the work to close himself after he fell behind, I wondered if Vlasov is a bit ill (and that before he ditched, or maybe even partly why he did ditch).
Evenepoel with his attacks was surely hoping Pogacar and Vingegaard would join him, so that Roglic was out-distanced, but I think P and V only regard each other as competition, so weren't interested. Thus why Evenepoel's head-shaking, later looking dispirited., and then his post-stage remark. Anyway I think at the time Pogacar had no team-mates nearby, if he needed any support, so maybe he was reluctant. Someone above wrote "there's already an informal alliance between Remco and Pog" but I haven't noticed any evidence of this - just checked the author of this quote, he (No_Ta_Doctor) is a Vingegaard fan - perhaps explains the theory!
I don't think Pogacar was wasting (much) energy in his attacks, as some above mention, I think he was playing psychological games.
Re Vingegaard on Tratnik's bike, I heard Tratnik's bike dimensions were the most suitable if Vingegaard needed a substitute, and I can imagine such is all arranged in advance in all teams, maybe riders paired together. If I rode professional, Alaphilippe could manage with my bike.
mididoctors wrote that Turgis was 'sitting in all day' and then later wrote 'Turgis ... told yer'. I like mididoctors cheek in claiming his first remark indicated the possibility of the latter, however I think 'sitting in all day' unfair. Turgis did his regular turns at the front, just not extravagantly = didn't try to pick up the pace, etc. He may have benefited when it came to the run-in, in that some younger riders didn't know his palmares - never a winner of a big event, but having had some high placings in a couple of the 'monuments'.
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Gotta remember his audience is Flanders and in Flanders the solution to any tactical scenario in a race is “KOERSEN”
So you’d expect Remco’s instant reaction to Vingers not koersen, is “wtf mate. No KOERSEN? You must have no balls!”
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Oh I'm definitely a Vingegaard fan, though I'm also a Pog and Remco fan sometimes 😅
The point was that Pog and Remco have been conducting a very public bromance this Tour (see stage two: "did you get yellow?" "No I got your jersey [white]" "I left a gap"). Remco is riding for a podium and Pog doesn't regard him as a proper threat - so neither is really racing against the other. For Jonas to go up the road with them would be very risky, it would open him up to a Granon '22 style tag-team head kicking. He'd have to be a right idiot to ride straight into that
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For some proper beef we should get Wout to come out (Jonas would never, ever do it) and say "Hey, Remco, you race with your balls and Jonas races with his head, and we'll count TdF GC wins in NIce"
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lol in the race I sort of imagine Wout as this sort of braindead monster who just churns the pedals mindlessly. Tactics not really his strength.
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regardless of wks 2 & 3, this year has been a far better edition than most imagined.
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This explains why he keeps coming back. You literally have to chop his head off to stop him
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Turgis soft tapped that day
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I suspect Vingegaard will be making Remco chow down on those words in week 3.
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