2023 European Championships **spoilers**

andyp
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No love for the Euros?

Currently ITT day, with just the elite men left to go.

Marlen Reusser won her third title in a row, beating Anna Henderson by 43 seconds, with Christine Schweinberger third.

Earlier, Zoe Backstedt dominated the u23 event, beating u23 world ITT champion, Antonia Neidermaier, by 58 seconds.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,340
    Hard to get excited when you've just had the Wold Championships with the main riders being European.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Josh Tarling is monstering this.
  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228
    Kung with a big off, helmet smashed blood over face
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Tarling wins by 42 seconds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    He really is going to be a talent, it's just a case of finding the races where he can maximise that engine.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    I still reckon he could be groomed for GC…..
  • stage_hunter
    stage_hunter Posts: 317
    roscoe said:

    I still reckon he could be groomed for GC…..

    It's 2023 not 1993.

    (Not as in PEDs but as in 195KM of TT v 30km)
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    stage_hunter said:

    roscoe said:

    I still reckon he could be groomed for GC…..

    It's 2023 not 1993.

    (Not as in PEDs but as in 195KM of TT v 30km)
    Agreed. He's too tall and too heavy to win GTs as they are now, with more mountains and fewer TT kilometres.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    That was my thinking.
  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    Yeah, fair enough. 78kg is a bit ott for GC.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    His stated height is 1cm above Ganna - with a weight of 5kgs less…
    Even if that’s even remotely near the truth, that must put his watts per kilo very much in the “viable GC contender” arena (velodrome?)…
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,164
    Didn't realise it was on to be honest. But Kung should definitely have been pulled from the course. Even if he was judged OK to continue, no way was that helmet in a state to be used again.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,981
    edited September 2023
    Wiggins likely weighed about that (78kg) initially though didn't he?

    EDIT: This from the ESPN site, so may or may not be true:

    "Wiggins says that 73kg is his "Tour weight", with just under 4% body fat."

    I saw another article that said he had been renamed twiggo due to losing 6kg, so if the above were all true and remotely accurate, that would put his before weight at 79kg.
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  • ocdupalais
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    There will be obvious comparisons with Wiggins… and I think, looking at his (Tarlins) musculature, it’s not unfounded. Very slender quads compared to other noted TT riders of similar height (Ganna, Kung, etc)…
    Aged 19/20, good as he was, I doubt even Wiggins was generating as much power as Tarlin does to compete with very best in the world in road TTs.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    UCI needs to re-evaluate the TT position to prevent testers to be tempted to hide their head from the wind in such a way that they can't see where they're going.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Kung has a minor concussion, a fracture to his jaw and a fractured hand and is heading home today.

    I think, quite rightly, a lot of focus is on why he was allowed to remount and continue. His team should've stepped in and stopped him, especially given the damage to his helmet. You've got to ask what they were doing anyway, because surely they should've warned him via radio that the road was set to narrow?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,164
    andyp said:

    Kung has a minor concussion, a fracture to his jaw and a fractured hand and is heading home today.

    I think, quite rightly, a lot of focus is on why he was allowed to remount and continue. His team should've stepped in and stopped him, especially given the damage to his helmet. You've got to ask what they were doing anyway, because surely they should've warned him via radio that the road was set to narrow?

    Is it him or Bissegger that doesn't look up and has to be guided round courses like the DS controlling a computer game character?
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    One day the UCI and teams will start taking head injuries seriously.

    Yesterday was not that day.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    rick_chasey said:

    UCI needs to re-evaluate the TT position to prevent testers to be tempted to hide their head from the wind in such a way that they can't see where they're going.

    Do they really? How often does it actually cause a crash? I don't have a list of incidents in my memory here
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    rick_chasey said:

    UCI needs to re-evaluate the TT position to prevent testers to be tempted to hide their head from the wind in such a way that they can't see where they're going.

    Do they really? How often does it actually cause a crash? I don't have a list of incidents in my memory here
    Froome was saying it a while back, and it seems that's what happened here.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,340
    Wasn't that the cause of Bernal's crash?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Right, these lads are hiding behind their hands and they can't see sh!t.
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  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    rick_chasey said:

    Right, these lads are hiding behind their hands and they can't see sh!t.

    Didn’t Bernal ride in to a bus. He must have bloody big hands🤣
  • daniel_b
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    France win the mixed TT relay thingy.
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  • andyrac
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    andyp said:

    Kung has a minor concussion, a fracture to his jaw and a fractured hand and is heading home today.


    I saw that quoted on Twitter, and somebody immediately replied to it; "there is no minor concussion - it's a concussion full stop".
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  • Mad_Malx
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    rick_chasey said:

    Right, these lads are hiding behind their hands and they can't see sh!t.

    Are belay glasses banned?
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    Mad_Malx said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Right, these lads are hiding behind their hands and they can't see sh!t.

    Are belay glasses banned?
    Honestly, something like that on each side of the visor probably wouldn't be a bad thing. Central vision unadjusted, peripheral vision angled at 45 degrees so with head down you see what's coming up on the side of the road
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    rick_chasey said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    rick_chasey said:

    UCI needs to re-evaluate the TT position to prevent testers to be tempted to hide their head from the wind in such a way that they can't see where they're going.

    Do they really? How often does it actually cause a crash? I don't have a list of incidents in my memory here
    Froome was saying it a while back, and it seems that's what happened here.
    Oh I'm definitely in favour of looking where you're going, I'm just wondering if it's actually common to be so head down that you don't see what's coming up and crash. If Bernal was really doing this on an open road in training.... FFS that's nuts
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  • pblakeney
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    rick_chasey said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    rick_chasey said:

    UCI needs to re-evaluate the TT position to prevent testers to be tempted to hide their head from the wind in such a way that they can't see where they're going.

    Do they really? How often does it actually cause a crash? I don't have a list of incidents in my memory here
    Froome was saying it a while back, and it seems that's what happened here.
    Oh I'm definitely in favour of looking where you're going, I'm just wondering if it's actually common to be so head down that you don't see what's coming up and crash. If Bernal was really doing this on an open road in training.... FFS that's nuts
    I have no additional information but how else do you crash into a stationary bus?
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    pblakeney said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    rick_chasey said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    rick_chasey said:

    UCI needs to re-evaluate the TT position to prevent testers to be tempted to hide their head from the wind in such a way that they can't see where they're going.

    Do they really? How often does it actually cause a crash? I don't have a list of incidents in my memory here
    Froome was saying it a while back, and it seems that's what happened here.
    Oh I'm definitely in favour of looking where you're going, I'm just wondering if it's actually common to be so head down that you don't see what's coming up and crash. If Bernal was really doing this on an open road in training.... FFS that's nuts
    I have no additional information but how else do you crash into a stationary bus?
    I dunno, people regularly overcook corners and stuff when they are looking though. And TT bikes are far less nimble than road bikes. He might just have come round a blind corner way too fast and not been able to adjust. People have been crashing bikes into stationary stuff since bikes began
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