Adam Blythe talking bollocks...
This line which he has trotted out on consecutive days of the coverage is simply plain wrong.
There is no jersey for crossing the finish line the most times in a race
The points jersey is the nearest to that and Sagan has won more of those than Cav
The most 'successful' rider is the rider who wins a jersey the most times so that'll be
Virenque (polka), Sagan and the 5x Yellow jersey gang (if we exclude LA).
Winning stages is an end in itself, for the guys above it was a means to an end.
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I think if Cav wins another stage, and has the most stage wins of any rider in the TdF, then that is a very impressive achievement and something to be very proud of.
But agreed that the statement above is only one interpretation of "successful".0 -
Yes, we get it, you don't like Cavendish and don't rate his career.
Winning stages is blatantly obviously being successful and only a pedant wouldn't understand what Blythe is saying. I think I'd take stage wins over the green or polka dot jerseys as a measure of success.4 -
Cav is good at what he does'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0
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So is it bunch sprint wins that you don't rate then?0
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I rate them and so does the Tour, via the Green Jersey'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0
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I bet those records are broken long before merckx and Cavs are even equaledjosame said:'Cav winning will make him the most successful TdF cyclist'
This line which he has trotted out on consecutive days of the coverage is simply plain wrong.
There is no jersey for crossing the finish line the most times in a race
The points jersey is the nearest to that and Sagan has won more of those than Cav
The most 'successful' rider is the rider who wins a jersey the most times so that'll be
Virenque (polka), Sagan and the 5x Yellow jersey gang (if we exclude LA).
Winning stages is an end in itself, for the guys above it was a means to an end.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm5 -
By successful riders'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0
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The green jersey is a bit of a novelty prize, something to add a bit of interest to the racing for stages and GC.
I'd rate Cav's record well above the record for number of green jerseys. Maybe if they restructured the points so it was purely for bunch sprints but the issue with that would be we see fewer flat stages now and I wouldn't want to get rid of those in-between finishes that offer a chance for aggressive riding to drop the sprinters.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]3 -
Now I expected a thread about the Tux.
I'm sorely disappointed.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I'm not sure it helps your argument to say that Virenque might be the most successful TdF cyclist of all time by your measure.0
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Doping is another issue entirelykingstongraham said:I'm not sure it helps your argument to say that Virenque might be the most successful TdF cyclist of all time by your measure.
'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
I wasn't even thinking about doping.josame said:
Doping is another issue entirelykingstongraham said:I'm not sure it helps your argument to say that Virenque might be the most successful TdF cyclist of all time by your measure.
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My point really is that the most 'successful tdf cyclist of all time' cannot apply to any one person due to the multiple categories of the race
and perhaps it best applies to success in the TdF's own categories
Having said that I think the Yellow jersey denotes 'the best' since a decathlete can be good at some disciplines but only wins on being best 'across the board''Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
He was certainly talking boll&cks yesterday evening, ranting about why were UAE working to keep Adam Yates in the yellow jersey and completely ignoring the fact that they will get the next two days off."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1
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Surely this is a post for trivial things that annoy you?josame said:'Cav winning will make him the most successful TdF cyclist'
This line which he has trotted out on consecutive days of the coverage is simply plain wrong.
There is no jersey for crossing the finish line the most times in a race
The points jersey is the nearest to that and Sagan has won more of those than Cav
The most 'successful' rider is the rider who wins a jersey the most times so that'll be
Virenque (polka), Sagan and the 5x Yellow jersey gang (if we exclude LA).
Winning stages is an end in itself, for the guys above it was a means to an end.
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Does he actually need to specify the specific measure by which Cav will be the most successful TdF cyclist every time he says it?
He would uncontroversially be the most successful rider ever in terms of the number of stage wins, that's just a fact (and as above, likely to be a much stickier record than some of the others mentioned).2 -
*reads first post*
*feels guilty about how many electrons must have died for so little point*8 -
I recon they're still fairly healthyLanterne_Rogue said:*reads first post*
*feels guilty about how many electrons must have died for so little point*
https://physicsworld.com/a/electron-lifetime-is-at-least-66000-yottayears/#:~:text=This violates “charge conservation”,,particle that will never decay.
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now that would be sillybobmcstuff said:Does he actually need to specify the specific measure by which Cav will be the most successful TdF cyclist every time he says it?
maybe just don't make the error in the first place
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Eurosport is owned by Warner bros..
Perhaps this accounts for the editing style: entertainment.
***THREAD CROSSOVER ALERT***
Perhaps t also accounts for Hatch's hyperbole.
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It's not an error. He would be the most successful cyclist in TdF history in terms of stage wins.josame said:
now that would be sillybobmcstuff said:Does he actually need to specify the specific measure by which Cav will be the most successful TdF cyclist every time he says it?
maybe just don't make the error in the first place1 -
And x is the most successful cyclist in TdF History in terms of..bobmcstuff said:
It's not an error. He would be the most successful cyclist in TdF history in terms of stage wins.josame said:
now that would be sillybobmcstuff said:Does he actually need to specify the specific measure by which Cav will be the most successful TdF cyclist every time he says it?
maybe just don't make the error in the first place
and xy is the most successful cyclist in TdF History in terms of...
and xyz is the most successful cyclist in TdF History in terms of....
He started it! (and basically that's my point)'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
Nobody else cares.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.3 -
Weird also that a UK presenter on a UK targeted platform would be hyping up a potential UK success story in a race where UK success may otherwise be limited*
* Up for further debate2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0 -
'Weird also that a UK presenter on a UK targeted platform would be hyping up a potential UK success story in a race where UK success may otherwise be limited'
IoM is not a part of the UK ; )'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
Genuinely haven't seen this level of bants since I stopped reading the Clinic. Well done to you.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner2
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I was honestly finding the middle section of a sprint stage with no breakaway more interesting, but whatever floats your boatcarbonclem said:Genuinely haven't seen this level of bants since I stopped reading the Clinic. Well done to you.
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Moronic thread.5
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Perhaps, but it’s people are still British citizens.josame said:'Weird also that a UK presenter on a UK targeted platform would be hyping up a potential UK success story in a race where UK success may otherwise be limited'
IoM is not a part of the UK ; )
https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/departments/cabinet-office/external-relations/constitution/#:~:text=The Isle of Man is an internally self-governing dependency,its people are British citizens.0 -
That's a given, the OP and reply made no mention of Britain (only UK)wavefront said:
Perhaps, but it’s people are still British citizens.josame said:'Weird also that a UK presenter on a UK targeted platform would be hyping up a potential UK success story in a race where UK success may otherwise be limited'
IoM is not a part of the UK ; )
'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0