British Cycling and Shell
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Says the man who has own thread about his own inability to ride at 25 mph.ugo.santalucia said:
I don’t give a toss where you shop, but if you join BC just to get a discount at Halfords and then you get outraged because they get funded by Shell, maybe you should have a hard look at the mirror…webboo said:
So you see people who shop at Halfords as being different, inferior, lacking in moral judgement, lacking in taste, lacking in intelligence or is it something elseugo.santalucia said:
If that’s the reason to join BC, then yes, they areimposter2.0 said:
So people who buy at Halfords are the wrong type of member. Got it.ugo.santalucia said:BC non racing memberships are in essence third party insurance, that's why people buy them... I mean, some might buy them to get discounts at Halfords, but that makes it even worse... imagine somebody having a say on an organisation they joined to get a discount voucher... it would be a bit like giving gammons the right to decide about EU membership... oh wait...
Or would you like to spell it for those of us who don’t get what you are saying.
You need take that look mate before you criticise others.
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Undoubtedly true. But this is a topical thread in a general cycling forum.orraloon said:There are more important issues in the world right now...
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Anyway, it’s on the skin suits right now, so the deal is done and dusted… get on with it or leave BC and join another outfitleft the forum March 20230
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Yeah once it's on some kit there is no going back.ugo.santalucia said:Anyway, it’s on the skin suits right now, so the deal is done and dusted… get on with it or leave BC and join another outfit
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The deal was done and dusted before it was officially announced - otherwise they wouldn't have officially announced it.ugo.santalucia said:Anyway, it’s on the skin suits right now, so the deal is done and dusted… get on with it or leave BC and join another outfit
You've had a bit of a mare on this thread, tbh...0 -
Thankfully you are here to remind me of that...imposter2.0 said:
The deal was done and dusted before it was officially announced - otherwise they wouldn't have officially announced it.ugo.santalucia said:Anyway, it’s on the skin suits right now, so the deal is done and dusted… get on with it or leave BC and join another outfit
You've had a bit of a mare on this thread, tbh...left the forum March 20230 -
imposter2.0 said:
The deal was done and dusted before it was officially announced - otherwise they wouldn't have officially announced it.ugo.santalucia said:Anyway, it’s on the skin suits right now, so the deal is done and dusted… get on with it or leave BC and join another outfit
You've had a bit of a mare on this thread, tbh...
Someone has.
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Interestingly, one of the girls of the team sprint had a suit without the Shell logos, I wonder if hers wasn't delivered on time or it was some kind of statement she wanted to make... surely room for some speculation?left the forum March 20230
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Somehow, I found this collection of Peugeot jerseys amusing...
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Yes, if something happened in the past that's usually a good indication that it's absolutely fine.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Sir Chris Hoy's take on things.pangolin said:Yes, if something happened in the past that's usually a good indication that it's absolutely fine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/63250942"It's about representing the views of the entire membership and putting cycling on the agenda with a massive corporation like Shell.
"And if you can get them to change their policy even slightly, than that's a positive thing."
Speaking at the Track World Championships in France, Hoy echoed the surprise of many fans but said British Cycling is under pressure to secure the future of the sport.
"It's not unfair to say that it was a controversial partnership to announce," he said.
"Most people were quite surprised at a cycling federation aligning with a global corporation in the oil industry - you wouldn't think those two sit side by side.
"But you put yourself in the British Cycling management position, they need to get a sponsor, they need to have a partner and in the current climate, trying to find a major sponsor for one year, let alone eight years, is a significant challenge.""Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Read thewashingmachinepost by perchance?ugo.santalucia said:Somehow, I found this collection of Peugeot jerseys amusing...
He raised exactly the same jerseys yesterday. 🤣 Although "Peugeot" is a give away. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
"In the current climate" - great choice of words there.0
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I am glad I agree 100% with Chris Hoy, someone who clearly understand the workings of British Cyclingleft the forum March 20230
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no, coincidence... I used to own one of them, the Thevenet one with the Esso logospblakeney said:
Read thewashingmachinepost by perchance?ugo.santalucia said:Somehow, I found this collection of Peugeot jerseys amusing...
He raised exactly the same jerseys yesterday. 🤣 Although "Peugeot" is a give away. 😉left the forum March 20230 -
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Think I'll dig out my Robert Millar one just for the giggles. 😉ugo.santalucia said:
no, coincidence... I used to own one of them, the Thevenet one with the Esso logospblakeney said:
Read thewashingmachinepost by perchance?ugo.santalucia said:Somehow, I found this collection of Peugeot jerseys amusing...
He raised exactly the same jerseys yesterday. 🤣 Although "Peugeot" is a give away. 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Worked out well for him then. Bet it seemed like such a good idea at the time....0
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I wonder if the Shell deal is really behind this, given that the deal is continuing. Unless his job was simply to be the fall guy for the expected flack, leaving the new CEO free to make use of the Shell money without any morality issues.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:Worked out well for him then. Bet it seemed like such a good idea at the time....
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I wonder if the Shell deal is really behind this, given that the deal is continuing. Unless his job was simply to be the fall guy for the expected flack, leaving the new CEO free to make use of the Shell money without any morality issues.
Hard to tell. I suspect the deal is continuing as they have little choice from a contractual and financial perspective, so I would assume the decision to go ahead, and the ensuing backlash BC have faced is a part of his leaving.
It seems his background was in commercial sponsorship and they brought him in to find a new sponsor as HSBC was due to end. I once worked with a Head of Department in a fundraising capacity who went on to be CEO of another large UK sporting body for similar reasons. They were a bit out of their depth and ended up making a few bad decisions and resigning after about a year. Could be the same with Facer, generally just not a great fit (putting it politely) and the Shell decision was part of series of misjudged decisions (as the article highlights) that led both parties to call it quits.
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I'm rather cynical about life in general but this situation does sound a bit morality-free:
Hire guy to find sponsor.
Sponsor found.
Looks like a decent deal in the current climate.
Backlash.
Terminate the deal that is cheapest in attempt to offset backlash.
So CEO, who is doubtless relatively cheap to sack, gets the chop whilst the expensive to terminate dodgy publicity generating sponsorship deal stays in place.
So for the BC big cheeses, "doing the right thing" is only important if it can be afforded. Which is at least consistent with pretty much everyone's approach to dealing with climate change. Obviously the properly correct thing to do to address the backlash would be to terminate the Shell deal, whatever the consequences.1 -
This is British Cycling, they of the 'no cycling to show respect to dead Brenda' fame? Not just about sponsorship.0
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That is worth the chop, regardless of any considerations re sponsors.orraloon said:This is British Cycling, they of the 'no cycling to show respect to dead Brenda' fame? Not just about sponsorship.
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