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TDF 2022:- Stage 14: Saint-Étienne - Mende, 192.5km ***Spoilers***

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  • bianchi_davebianchi_dave Posts: 847
    gsk82 said:

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Not at 2500 metres up he wouldn't!
    Fair point! But everywhere else? No contest
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112

    Another pointless sprint


    I don't know if it is pointless. Sure it doesn't gain any time, but for Pogacar to win this race he needs JoVing to tire. And every bit of work he makes him do empties the tank a little. It empties his too, but he will hope by less.
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  • amrushtonamrushton Posts: 1,245

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Bruyneel mentioned Bernal has a lower watts/kg than both of them. These 2 could be the dominant force for yrs. But that was said about Nairo and back in the day Ullrich
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 6,664
    Great, great climb by Bling. Thoroughly deserved win. As with everyone else, I though Bettiol had broken him, but no, he dug very deep and it paid off.
  • andypandyp Posts: 9,995
    amrushton said:

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Bruyneel mentioned Bernal has a lower watts/kg than both of them. These 2 could be the dominant force for yrs. But that was said about Nairo and back in the day Ullrich
    How does Bruyneel know that? The man is a bullshitter, always was, always will be.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 70,638 Lives Here
    andyp said:

    amrushton said:

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Bruyneel mentioned Bernal has a lower watts/kg than both of them. These 2 could be the dominant force for yrs. But that was said about Nairo and back in the day Ullrich
    How does Bruyneel know that? The man is a bullshitter, always was, always will be.
    Pretty successful bullshitter
  • andypandyp Posts: 9,995

    andyp said:

    amrushton said:

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Bruyneel mentioned Bernal has a lower watts/kg than both of them. These 2 could be the dominant force for yrs. But that was said about Nairo and back in the day Ullrich
    How does Bruyneel know that? The man is a bullshitter, always was, always will be.
    Pretty successful bullshitter
    I'm not sure a lifetime ban from the sport you made your living in is many people's definition of success.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 70,638 Lives Here
    edited July 2022
    andyp said:

    andyp said:

    amrushton said:

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Bruyneel mentioned Bernal has a lower watts/kg than both of them. These 2 could be the dominant force for yrs. But that was said about Nairo and back in the day Ullrich
    How does Bruyneel know that? The man is a bullshitter, always was, always will be.
    Pretty successful bullshitter
    I'm not sure a lifetime ban from the sport you made your living in is many people's definition of success.
    Not sure this is the thread to discuss the merits or otherwise of the haphazard ban process for two generations of rampant doping.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112
    edited July 2022
    andyp said:

    andyp said:

    amrushton said:

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Bruyneel mentioned Bernal has a lower watts/kg than both of them. These 2 could be the dominant force for yrs. But that was said about Nairo and back in the day Ullrich
    How does Bruyneel know that? The man is a bullshitter, always was, always will be.
    Pretty successful bullshitter
    I'm not sure a lifetime ban from the sport you made your living in is many people's definition of success.

    He only got ten years. He'll be eligible for a comeback next year. Go on Bahrain, people have already labelled you dopers.

    Also I hate to agree with Rick, but JB really knows his cycling. For power numbers though they are estimates with large margins of error, so it might not pan out in a race,
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  • mooromooro Posts: 477
    Interesting article on pogacar - wondered why Mathews sought him out after the stage win today… :-)
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112
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  • andypandyp Posts: 9,995
    RichN95. said:

    andyp said:

    andyp said:

    amrushton said:

    No one can live with this pair. Even Bernal at his best would struggle to go with them

    Bruyneel mentioned Bernal has a lower watts/kg than both of them. These 2 could be the dominant force for yrs. But that was said about Nairo and back in the day Ullrich
    How does Bruyneel know that? The man is a bullshitter, always was, always will be.
    Pretty successful bullshitter
    I'm not sure a lifetime ban from the sport you made your living in is many people's definition of success.

    He only got ten years. He'll be eligible for a comeback next year. Go on Bahrain, people have already labelled you dopers.

    Also I hate to agree with Rick, but JB really knows his cycling. For power numbers though they are estimates with large margins of error, so it might not pan out in a race,
    His ten year ban was increased to a lifetime one by WADA, no?
  • andypandyp Posts: 9,995
    Btw, I'm not disputing he knows cycling, but I very much doubt he knows Bernal's actual watts per kg numbers (or Vingegaard or Pogacar's).
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 21,604
    andyp said:

    Btw, I'm not disputing he knows cycling, but I very much doubt he knows Bernal's actual watts per kg numbers (or Vingegaard or Pogacar's).

    So do I.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,112
    andyp said:


    His ten year ban was increased to a lifetime one by WADA, no?

    So it was. Meanwhile redacted rider 8 (Ekimov) sits on the UCI’s Professional Cycling Council as he is protected by Russian oligarch and friend of dictators Igor Makarov, the power behind David Lappartient’s career. You can see Rick’s point about hypocrisy.
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