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Will Pog win this tour? ***Spoilers ***

mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 16,371
edited July 2022 in Pro race
Quick poll "can he win still ?"
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Will Pog win this tour? ***Spoilers *** 40 votes

Yes
80%
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No
20%
RichN95.mididoctorsDeadCalmgsk82ProssNo_Ta_Doctorbianchi_davevincesummerskRoxcBTr 8 votes

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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 19,397
    Bit of a spoiler.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 24,016
    Yes
    Yes he can.
    The main question is will he?
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 18,685
    Yes
    If he doesn't have covid
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  • JimD666JimD666 Posts: 1,679
    Yes
    Apparently under fueled for the final stretch. Still think he can, and will, win
  • Lanterne_RogueLanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,082
    Yes
    Obviously can, but...
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 21,534
    Yes
    We're having a heat wave, A tropical heat wave, The temperature's rising, It isn't surprising, He certainly can, can-can.
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  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 8,641
    Yes
    I think he can - it's a realistic outside chance. The TT maybe is key - not sure how much he'd be expected to take there.
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  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 11,115
    Yes
    tailwindhome said:

    If he doesn't have covid

    This
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 16,371
    No
    TheBigBean said:

    Bit of a spoiler.

    Point taken .....my bad
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  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 3,381
    No
    In the unlikely event it kicks off before the final climb tomorrow he should be losing another bucket load. You don't recover from that overnight.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 26,094
    Yes
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 27,087
    edited July 2022
    No
    The question has changed from Can he? to Will he? So no. I think Thomas and Bardet are interesting still. They seem to have gone at their own pace most of the time, not getting involved in the attack/chase stuff.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 26,094
    Yes
    So when did the question switch?
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 4,099
    No
    Voted on the basis of the question being will he win? He definitely can win, but it'll be difficult. If he does win, what already is a great tour will have been an epic one.
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 16,371
    No
    TheBigBean said:

    Bit of a spoiler.

    Point taken .....my bad
    RichN95. said:

    The question has changed from Can he? to Will he? So no. I think Thomas and Bardet are interesting still. They seem to have gone at their own pace most of the time, not getting involved in the attack/chase stuff.

    I got told off as the thread title "can he" is a bit of a spoiler
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  • bianchi_davebianchi_dave Posts: 847
    No
    Very difficult to say. We need a 'don't know' or 'maybe' option.

    Gut says no, as we're at altitude again and Jonas just seems to cope better with it, as first shown last year on Ventoux.

    As already said, it depends how he recovers overnight too.

    However, he's an incredible rider and it would be foolish to write him off.

    Either way, the rest of this Tour should be a corker as Pog will try his hardest to get the time back.
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 21,534
    Yes
    So, if someone makes a poll, he or she can change what the vote is on, but having voted, we cannot?
    Excellent concept.

    Anyhow, on the original subject of can he still win this Tour. Does this look like someone who is defeated and broken?


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  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 12,969
    No
    He definitely *can* win it, but I don't think he will.
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 21,534
    Yes
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    He definitely *can* win it, but I don't think he will.

    I think this would be the most commonly held opinion.
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  • andypandyp Posts: 9,846
    Yes
    Vingegaard is untested as a GC leader, and the maillot jaune carries a weight penalty.

    Everyone is busy saying UAE are paying for their efforts earlier in the race, but JV have been as, if not more, active, so the same applies to them.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 25,446
    blazing_saddles said:

    So, if someone makes a poll, he or she can change what the vote is on, but having voted, we cannot?
    Excellent concept.


    The perfect troll would be to now amend it to say "Is Tom Pidcock overrated?".

  • ProssPross Posts: 38,812
    No
    I had the benefit of the amended question.

    To follow on from AndyP's comment above, JV are going to have to adapt from the aggressor to defending. A lot is also going to depend on what the root cause of Pog's collapse yesterday was, if it was something simple like not taking on enough food or the heat then it is conceivable that he can be back on the attack today.

    The rest of the field are in a fairly good position of being in touch with second but not really having done much but follow although I'm not sure how many of them have it in them to actively try to take time back.
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 11,115
    edited July 2022
    Yes
    Well now I want to change my answer... I think he can, but whether he will... that's a maybe! Odds probably slightly on the "no" side I think.
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 16,371
    No
    blazing_saddles said:

    So, if someone makes a poll, he or she can change what the vote is on, but having voted, we cannot?
    Excellent concept.

    Anyhow, on the original subject of can he still win this Tour. Does this look like someone who is defeated and broken?


    I was told "can" was a spoiler as it suggested pog lost out on s11
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 26,094
    Yes
    Well, assuming that yesterday was a temporary set back, what does he have to do?

    He's 2m 20 behind.

    He has a 40km TT which I reckon he will take a good chunk of time out of Jonas (who looks like being the one to beat).

    So, he needs to take a minute and a half at least? Thats do-able with cunning sprints and time bonuses, although a tall order these days. This assumes that Jonas is the better climber and will hold him on long range attacks.

    Jumbo need to let every break soak up the time bonuses (good for us). Jonas is untested as the big-dog, but has a wealth of experience around him to help with MJ duties.

    Gonna be fun.
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