Will Pog win this tour? ***Spoilers ***
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Quick poll "can he win still ?"
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
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Bit of a spoiler.2
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Yes he can.
The main question is will he?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
If he doesn't have covid“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Apparently under fueled for the final stretch. Still think he can, and will, win0
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We're having a heat wave, A tropical heat wave, The temperature's rising, It isn't surprising, He certainly can, can-can."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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I think he can - it's a realistic outside chance. The TT maybe is key - not sure how much he'd be expected to take there.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Thistailwindhome said:If he doesn't have covid
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Point taken .....my badTheBigBean said:Bit of a spoiler.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
In the unlikely event it kicks off before the final climb tomorrow he should be losing another bucket load. You don't recover from that overnight."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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Voted on the basis of the question being will he win? He definitely can win, but it'll be difficult. If he does win, what already is a great tour will have been an epic one.0
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Point taken .....my badTheBigBean said:Bit of a spoiler.
I got told off as the thread title "can he" is a bit of a spoilerRichN95. said:The question has changed from Can he? to Will he? So no. I think Thomas and Bardet are interesting still. They seem to have gone at their own pace most of the time, not getting involved in the attack/chase stuff.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Very difficult to say. We need a 'don't know' or 'maybe' option.
Gut says no, as we're at altitude again and Jonas just seems to cope better with it, as first shown last year on Ventoux.
As already said, it depends how he recovers overnight too.
However, he's an incredible rider and it would be foolish to write him off.
Either way, the rest of this Tour should be a corker as Pog will try his hardest to get the time back.Scott Foil RC
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So, if someone makes a poll, he or she can change what the vote is on, but having voted, we cannot?
Excellent concept.
Anyhow, on the original subject of can he still win this Tour. Does this look like someone who is defeated and broken?
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
He definitely *can* win it, but I don't think he will.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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I think this would be the most commonly held opinion.No_Ta_Doctor said:He definitely *can* win it, but I don't think he will.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Vingegaard is untested as a GC leader, and the maillot jaune carries a weight penalty.
Everyone is busy saying UAE are paying for their efforts earlier in the race, but JV have been as, if not more, active, so the same applies to them.0 -
The perfect troll would be to now amend it to say "Is Tom Pidcock overrated?".blazing_saddles said:So, if someone makes a poll, he or she can change what the vote is on, but having voted, we cannot?
Excellent concept.
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I had the benefit of the amended question.
To follow on from AndyP's comment above, JV are going to have to adapt from the aggressor to defending. A lot is also going to depend on what the root cause of Pog's collapse yesterday was, if it was something simple like not taking on enough food or the heat then it is conceivable that he can be back on the attack today.
The rest of the field are in a fairly good position of being in touch with second but not really having done much but follow although I'm not sure how many of them have it in them to actively try to take time back.0 -
Well now I want to change my answer... I think he can, but whether he will... that's a maybe! Odds probably slightly on the "no" side I think.0
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I was told "can" was a spoiler as it suggested pog lost out on s11blazing_saddles said:So, if someone makes a poll, he or she can change what the vote is on, but having voted, we cannot?
Excellent concept.
Anyhow, on the original subject of can he still win this Tour. Does this look like someone who is defeated and broken?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Well, assuming that yesterday was a temporary set back, what does he have to do?
He's 2m 20 behind.
He has a 40km TT which I reckon he will take a good chunk of time out of Jonas (who looks like being the one to beat).
So, he needs to take a minute and a half at least? Thats do-able with cunning sprints and time bonuses, although a tall order these days. This assumes that Jonas is the better climber and will hold him on long range attacks.
Jumbo need to let every break soak up the time bonuses (good for us). Jonas is untested as the big-dog, but has a wealth of experience around him to help with MJ duties.
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