Best route planning site ?

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Just to plan and share road rides with others - ideally so they can download them to a GPS.
I did use Strava but I don't have a subscription and wouldn't use any of the other features - anything easy to use that is free ?
Additional features are a distraction not an advantage.
I did use Strava but I don't have a subscription and wouldn't use any of the other features - anything easy to use that is free ?
Additional features are a distraction not an advantage.
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Had a dabble with Komoot as well but didn't really like that.
What was it that put you off @ibr17xvii?
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I can’t get on with Komoot, doesn’t seem to fit my brain, and I hate its ‘social’ interface.
As others have said I just didn't find it very user friendly although to be fair it was a while ago now.
Since Strava did TBT navigation & updated the route planning interface I've not needed to look at anything else.
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That said I prefer Strava's route mapping.
Kamoot looked like a faff when I looked previously, but has thrown lots of freebies at the cycling journalists.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
Old skool: maps and memory. I never use GPS for navigation, and if I can't memorise bits of a complicated route I do a screen grab as back-up.
I'm a RideWithGPS user if being modern, for the planning bit. I'd never go on an automated planner, as I enjoy the interaction with maps & terrain for each part of a ride.
It's not as easy as RWGPS was (from what I can remember) when using the RWGPS web site for route planning (RWGPS app would not allow route planning with the free version). The Komoot map seems to be a clunky when trying to tap a junction and inserting waypoints is a bit of a pain. The wording suggests that you set the route endpoint then insert waypoints but after each waypoint is entered it becomes the new endpoint meaning you have change the order. Not so easy with fat fingers and a 6" screen. I will try inserting the waypoints in order finishing with the endpoint the next time I need to create a route.
The good points are that it gives an indication of the road surface which for touring is of interest. It also links with my Wahoo account and the new route appears on the Wahoo companion app fairly quickly meaning it can be sent to the device quickly. It also means, if you have signal, you can route on the fly.