PTP 2022

dish_dash
dish_dash Posts: 5,535
Welcome to the 18th Annual PTP Competition

Sorry for the delay in getting this up - February was quite the month! Thank you red.rider and twotoebenny for getting the first few threads up. Am happy to maintain the master spreadsheet, and I've allocated races (broadly similar to last year) to those that volunteered. You know the drill!

PTP Races (as per the latest UCI calendar, though could change)
26 February: Omloop Het Nieuswsblad* - red.rider
27 February: Kuurne Brussels Kuurne* - red.rider
5 March: Strade Bianche* - red.rider
6-13 March: Paris Nice - twotoebenny
7-13 March: Tirreno-Adriatico - gregster04
19 March: Milan San Remo* - dish_dash
25 March: E3 Saxo Bank Classic (Harelbeke)* - gregster04
27 March: Ghent Wevelgem* - gregster04
3 April: Ronde van Vlaanderen* - RichN95
6 April: Scheldeprijs* - twotoebenny
10 April: Amstel Gold* - red.rider
17 April: Paris Roubaix* - ducknumber1
20 April: Fleche Wallone* - dish_dash
24 April: Liege Bastogne Liege* - dish_dash
26 April - 1 May: Tour de Romandie - gregster04
6-29 May: Giro d'Italia - red.rider
5-12 June: Criterium du Dauphine - dish_dash
13-19 June: Tour de Suisse - twotoebenny
1-24 July: Tour de France - RichN95
30 July: Donostia San Sebastian Klasikoa - dish_dash
7-13 Aug: BinkBank Tour - twotoebenny
19 August - 11 Sept: Vuelta a Espana - ducknumber1
18-25 September: World Championships (RR + TT, Men & Women) - gregster04
8 October: Il Lombardia - dish_dash
9 October: Paris Tours - dish_dash

Past PTP Winners
2021: twotoebenny
2020: rozzer32
2019: M.R.M.
2018: rozzer32
2017: rozzer32
2016: ducknumber1
2015: Stanislav
2014: Art Vandelay
2013: archieboy (I think)
2012: Art Vandelay
2011: rozzer32
2010: Kléber
2009: FJS
2008: Richrd2205
2007: andyp
2006: mangama
2005: ?unknown?

And to remind you, PTP Top 10 from 2021:
twotoebenny 1427
Dorset_Boy 1399
m.r.m. 1396
archieboy 1320
bobmcstuff 1288
rozzer32 1281
Pross 1267
ducknumber1 1233
singleton 1230
TheBigBean 1179

How to Play

Playing along with PTP is extremely simple - you don't have to sign up or join anything other than the Bikeradar forums. If you're already a member here, that means you're already eligible to play.

A few days before each of the chosen races, a PTP thread will be started in the Pro Race forum. That thread will contain a selection of useful links - start lists, race maps, past winners and so on. All you have to do is consider who you think is likely to win and post their name in that thread. It's that simple. If the race in question is a stage-race, you also get to predict the daily stage winners.

Post your pick in the relevant PTP thread before the cut off. If you change your mind then please post as a new post rather than editing your old post.

As you play, your scores will be added up and the overall season rankings will be updated in this thread. I'm dropping the spring classics mini-championship as I don't get the impression there is much interest and its a faff to sort - especially if races start getting moved around.

Scoring

TdF = Tour de France / G/V = Giro/Vuelta / Reg = Regular season

GC and one-day winners:

TdF | G/V | Reg
1 | 100 | 85 | 50 |
2 | 75 | 65 | 40 |
3 | 60 | 50 | 35 |
4 | 55 | 45 | 30 |
5 | 50 | 40 | 25 |
6 | 45 | 35 | 20 |
7 | 40 | 30 | 15 |
8 | 35 | 26 | 10 |
9 | 30 | 22 | 5 |
10 | 25 | 19 | 2 |
11 | 20 | 16 | |
12 | 15 | 13 | |
13 | 12 | 11 | |
14 | 10 | 9 | |
15 | 8 | 7 | |
16 | 6 | 5 | |
17 | 5 | 4 | |
18 | 4 | 3 | |
19 | 3 | 2 | |
20 | 2 | 1 | |

Stage winners:

TdF | G/V | Reg
1 | 12 | 10 | 6 |
2 | 10 | 8 | 5 |
3 | 8 | 6 | 4 |
4 | 7 | 5 | 3 |
5 | 6 | 4 | 2 |
6 | 5 | 3 | 1 |
7 | 4 | 2 | |
8 | 3 | 1 | |
9 | 2 | | |
10 | 1 | | |

Doping
Points are finalised once the race organisations publishes their results. No adjustments will be made if it later emerges that a rider has failed a drugs test or if a rider has wins retrospectively removed from their palmares.

Prediction Cut-off
Always the contentious one! The cut off is 12pm (noon) on the day of the race. This is strict so predictions at 12.01 won't be counted (exceptions made for split-stages, evening prologues etc). No GC selections will be accepted once a stage-race has begun.
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Comments

  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 1,870
    What is/was the criteria for which races count? Thought it was just WT level but some are missing and some that are there are Pro lvl. Pure interest as a newcomer to the PTP.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,128
    edited March 2022
    JimD666 said:

    What is/was the criteria for which races count? Thought it was just WT level but some are missing and some that are there are Pro lvl. Pure interest as a newcomer to the PTP.

    The whole thing was started in 2005 or 2006 by a guy called Andy Dunn. It might have been back when this was the C+ forum. My first post was picking Cancellara to win the 2006 Paris-Roubaix (and he did!)

    Back then the World Tour was called the Pro Tour - hence PTP. What was on the Pro Tour was a little different. Paris-Tours for example was in and has stayed on the PTP calendar ever since, maybe because it keeps more points to the end.

    Het Nieuwsblad was not Pro Tour but was included as the traditional season opener. I think KBK is a fairly new addition. The traditional Het Volk to Lombardia season is a reflection that a lot of us are middle aged.

    What was on TV was a big consideration. Catalunya wasn't on TV back then and is still excluded as a result. The Basque Tour had poor coverage and it clashed with a lot of the classics, so wasn't in.

    The calendar changes. Strade Bianche was a low level race to begin with but became popular and filled a gap. The Tour of Britain used to be included but then clashed with the Vuelta. I think Tirreno wasn't for a period as it clashed with Paris-Nice.

    Another historical titbit. The doping rule wasn't originally there, but was added due to points having to be redistributed after Landis's Tour DQ in 2006. It used to be known as the Landis rule.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 1,870
    Frankly I was expecting an answer along the lines of "Because".
    A full potted history? Blimey. Many thanks 👍
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    Finally got an evening free to work through the scores! Been hectic on a variety of fronts so my apologies. And thank you to everyone who has picked up PTP and run with it over the last few races.

    Ahead of the first monument I've updated the spreadsheet with the scores after five rounds.

    Some familiar names in the top 10 along with a couple of new ones (welcome JimD666). Glad to see that TheBIgBean and I keep our competition going...

    Top 10
    archieboy 313
    twotoebenny 299
    JimD666 292
    Dialatron 289
    takethehighroad 258
    m.r.m. 254
    gregster04 252
    orraloon 251
    TheBigBean 250
    dish_dash 227

  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    I'm new to this but just thought I'd say thankyou for all the hard work in running this - looks like it could be quite good fun to win over the next season.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    GC updated after MSR here

    Top 10
    archieboy 323
    JimD666 317
    twotoebenny 299
    Dialatron 299
    takethehighroad 268
    m.r.m. 264
    gregster04 262
    TheBigBean 260
    orraloon 256
    dish_dash 237
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    GC updated after E3 and GW here

    Top 10
    archieboy 373
    JimD666 367
    twotoebenny 349
    takethehighroad 318
    Dialatron 316
    m.r.m. 314
    gregster04 312
    orraloon 306
    red.rider 283
    TheBigBean 275
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,190
    I've got off to a really bad start by not paying any attention to PTP... need to remember to actually check the forum!!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,302
    Please could someone copy across the following when the threads appear

    Scheldeprijs - Fabio Jakobsen
    Amstel Gold - Mathieu van der Poel
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    edited April 2022
    The big update after the Spring Classics! GC here

    Big shake up in the top 10 including a new leader...

    Top 10
    JimD666 482
    m.r.m. 464
    archieboy 453
    Dialatron 436
    twotoebenny 434
    gregster04 427
    orraloon 416
    Dorset_Boy 413
    takethehighroad 403
    ducknumber1 396

    PS. I've tried to get this thread pinned to the top and the 2021 unpinned but getting no response/engagement from the moderators...
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,190
    I think I've missed too many races to even think about contending now...

    Back to pre covid levels of travel and work for me!
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 1,870
    Blimey.
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 1,870
    draft clearance
  • twotoebenny
    twotoebenny Posts: 1,400
    any chance we can pin this
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    Here's the latest after Romandie and the Giro... RESULTS

    Some moves in the top 10 though JimD666 still leads...

    Top 10
    JimD666 676
    archieboy 663
    Dialatron 634
    m.r.m. 631
    Dorset_Boy 590
    twotoebenny 569
    gregster04 566
    orraloon 555
    ducknumber1 555
    RichN95. 549
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535

    any chance we can pin this

    I've tried numerous ways of getting the mods to do this (only they can) and have failed to elicit any response... any help welcome!
  • red.rider
    red.rider Posts: 1,032
    Just bumping this thread up the forum.

    Remaining PTP races for 2022:
    30 July: Donostia San Sebastian Klasikoa - dish_dash
    7-13 Aug: BinkBank Tour - twotoebenny
    19 August - 11 Sept: Vuelta a Espana - ducknumber1
    18-25 September: World Championships (RR + TT, Men & Women) - gregster04
    8 October: Il Lombardia - dish_dash
    9 October: Paris Tours - dish_dash
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,295
    red.rider said:


    7-13 Aug: BinkBank Tour - twotoebenny

    Just in case this hasn't made the rounds yet, the BinkBank (Benelux) Tour has been cancelled this year. Vuelta should be the next PTP race.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    Finally some updates post Suisse, TdF, and San Sebastian... Latest Results

    A general shake up in the top 10 with archieboy nudging ahead of JimD666 at the top... No BB Tour so it's the Vuelta in a week or so for our next round.

    Top 10
    archieboy 967
    JimD666 944
    m.r.m. 920
    Dialatron 893
    Dorset_Boy 871
    twotoebenny 851
    ducknumber1 851
    red.rider 845
    TheBigBean 835
    orraloon 834
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    Updates following the Vuelta and the World Champs. Latest Results

    Big moves in the top 10 - we have a new leader with two races to go...

    Top 10
    m.r.m. 1200
    archieboy 1171
    Dorset_Boy 1057
    red.rider 1050
    twotoebenny 1037
    TheBigBean 1030
    singleton 1019
    ducknumber1 1001
    gregster04 991
    takethehighroad 970
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 6,745
    How the heck am i in third after a terrible Vuelta and WC?!!! Sure that's not last year's standings?! :D
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,535
    edited October 2022
    Final Results are here

    CONGRATULATIONS M.R.M.

    A second win after 2019, again pipping archieboy to the line with Dorset_Boy rounding out the podium

    Top 10
    m.r.m. 1250
    archieboy 1211
    Dorset_Boy 1107
    red.rider 1100
    twotoebenny 1087
    TheBigBean 1080
    orraloon 1063
    singleton 1059
    ducknumber1 1051
    gregster04 1041

    I note its TheBigBean's best result (at least since 2016) and my worst...

    A huge thank you to all the players and scorers!

    Finally, after seven years of coordinating the show I'm looking to hand the baton over to someone else. Work has stepped up a notch the year and I'm afraid I just can't give PTP the time and attention needed. We've got until February to think of a solution...
  • archieboy
    archieboy Posts: 1,276
    Thanks to all for organising and scoring.

    Well done m.r.m.
  • gregster04
    gregster04 Posts: 1,653
    Congrats m.r.m, at least archieboy gave you a bit of a challlenge!

    Another post-mortem required to work out where I managed to fall behind.

    Thanks dish_dash for your organisational skills over the last 7 years. PTP always gives me a bit of extra interest and enjoyment. I’m happy to help run things next year.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,295
    Thank you everyone for scoring and @dish_dash for 7 years of awesomeness. Congrats to @archieboy and @Dorset_Boy.
    Was quite the surprising PTP season with (somewhat) surprising winners in all 3 grand tours as well as in many of the monuments. I think next season is going to be even more fun with all the riders of the new generation truly coming into their prime.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • twotoebenny
    twotoebenny Posts: 1,400
    Hadn't realised I was so close to the podium lol much the same as Dish new job new life means less involvement in all things cycling.

    Thanks to everyone for scoring and taking part.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 6,745
    Huge thank you to all the scorers and others behind the scenes that make it work.
    Congratulations to MRM!
    Really didn't think I was doing very well this year so third is a surprise!
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 1,870
    Thanks to all who scored and congrats to m.r.m
  • singleton
    singleton Posts: 2,470
    Thanks to everyone for scoring and running this and congrats to m.r.m.