Difference between Record 2011 and Record 2015 dual pivot callipers?

jaredpurdy1960

Greetings,

I'm hoping that someone can tell me what the difference is between the 2011 dual pivot Record calliper and the 2015 of the same name? They look identical.

Seems that the weight might be the one thing that is different. The 2011 set weighs in at 303 grams and the 2015 set weighs in at 284 grams.

2011 product number is BDR11-REDP and the product code for the 2015 is BDR15-REDP.

Cheers.

jaredpurdy1960

I found the answer. Yes, there's a apparently a significant difference.

lesfirth

We are all ears.......what is the difference?

First.Aspect

It can only be pull ratio.

I run a set of 1998 Mavic SSC brakes that were supposed to be compatible with campag 10 speed. I have 2015 Di2 levers and I'm still alive, so....

jaredpurdy1960

lesfirth said:

We are all ears.......what is the difference?

The author to the question on velocipedesalon.com had this to say, in a very lengthy response to the entire groupo. To be clear, he was describing the Record and Super Record 2015 groupo as compared to the 2011 groupo.

"Brakes: If Campagnolo ever had a weakness it would have to be brake performance -previous groupsets were no match to Shimano's DuraAce callipers. For 2015 the Italians must have taken a field-trip to Japan because the brake performance on both aluminium and carbon rims rivals the competition’s best. At first glance the brake callipers don’t look visually different from 2014 models, however closer inspection reveals updated pivot locations, different springs, and different cable stops. The balance of raw power and smooth modulation is confidence inspiring in both wet and dry conditions.

Tyre clearance has also increased with the new brakes allowing a much larger tyre to be fitted. The exact tyre size will vary depending on the frame/fork’s placement of the brake mounting hole, however on one test frame which previously rubbed a 25mm tyre the 2015 calliper would allow a 28mm to be fitted. Hooray for big rubber!".

neeb

Very suspicious of the above, I have / have used Campagnolo Record callipers from the original (2009 / 2010) 11sp right up to the later 11sp and the only differences I have noticed are cosmetic. There might be the odd slightly different bolt or spring, but that's about it. I smell marketing B.S. I'm still using the 2010 ones on one bike and I have some 2015 ones in the cupboard, I'll compare them closely next time I get a chance. Pretty sure that the 2009 calipers were effectively the same as the 2007 10 speed ones I had prior to that too...

jaredpurdy1960

neeb said:

Very suspicious of the above, I have / have used Campagnolo Record callipers from the original (2009 / 2010) 11sp right up to the later 11sp and the only differences I have noticed are cosmetic. There might be the odd slightly different bolt or spring, but that's about it. I smell marketing B.S. I'm still using the 2010 ones on one bike and I have some 2015 ones in the cupboard, I'll compare them closely next time I get a chance. Pretty sure that the 2009 calipers were effectively the same as the 2007 10 speed ones I had prior to that too...

I don't know the guy who wrote that, but I've read the same thing in different places by different people since. It's not entirely unreasonable as some components from 2011 will not work with components from the 2015-2018 period, which is where this discussion comes from.

neeb

The skeleton brakes are the one thing that never seemed to change, though.. If they are functionally different, I haven't noticed! I haven't tried any of them with tyres wider that 25mm though, so if there is more clearance that would be significant and I wouldn't have noticed.

The 12 speed ones are completely different of course.

neeb

Here are some pics - these are the single and dual pivot (rear and front) in both cases, 2010 and 2015ish. Dual pivot on the right for the 2010 ones, on the left for the 2015 ones.

They really do look like the same alu parts (except for the brake shoes).

My 2010 ones are at my GF's place right now, but I might get a chance to compare them side by side at the weekend. Actually interested to know if there is any real diff.

pblakeney

Here's a thought. The wider clearance could simply be due to the lever design. Move the stop pin design slightly and the brakes open up more. No change to the brakes required.

davidof

jaredpurdy1960 said:

"Brakes: If Campagnolo ever had a weakness it would have to be brake performance -previous groupsets were no match to Shimano's DuraAce callipers.

I have 1998 Veloce and I can't say there is anything wrong with the performance of those brakes. I can certainly lock the back wheel easily if I want. I haven't used modern Dura Ace though.

neeb

I compared my 2015 Record calipers to my older Record calipers at the weekend (they are pre- the 2014 upgrade, either around 2010 or perhaps even 2007 - I've a feeling I just carried across the calipers when I first went to 11sp). Without actually removing the calipers from the bike, I honestly can't see any difference whatsoever in form or apparent function. They look the same apart from the logos, and based on a few random measurements seem to be the same. I certainly couldn't see any "updated pivot locations".

My bet is that the skeleton brakes were basically the same thing right from 2007 until the 12sp brakes were introduced in 2019 and that anyone who says otherwise is just reading from Campy press releases / marketing, directly or indirectly. There have been minor differences in materials (Ti or steel for bolts, the design of the knobs for the tension adjustment) between different levels (Record, Chorus etc) and different years, but no major redesign AFAICT

MattFalle

davidof said:

jaredpurdy1960 said:

"Brakes: If Campagnolo ever had a weakness it would have to be brake performance -previous groupsets were no match to Shimano's DuraAce callipers.

I have 1998 Veloce and I can't say there is anything wrong with the performance of those brakes. I can certainly lock the back wheel easily if I want. I haven't used modern Dura Ace though.

My 2015 Record are just as good as Ultegra 8000 and SRAM Red if that helps.