Armstrong and Ulrich

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  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    dennisn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    dennisn said:

    ddraver said:

    Lance looked behind him to see what was happening. Much like all of us have done many times. Only in the cycling mind can something like this be made into the stuff of legend. It was nothing, made out to be some special moment in the cosmos by God knows who or why. And oddly enough, EVERYONE bought it. Sad.
    Your boy Lance is quite happy to go along with myths about him if others will to.
    YOU bought into it.
    I’m fairly sure you’ve been his biggest fanboy over any posts about Lance. It’s usually the reason you appear, someone slags him off and up you pop to defend him.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    webboo said:

    dennisn said:

    rick_chasey said:

    dennisn said:

    ddraver said:

    Lance looked behind him to see what was happening. Much like all of us have done many times. Only in the cycling mind can something like this be made into the stuff of legend. It was nothing, made out to be some special moment in the cosmos by God knows who or why. And oddly enough, EVERYONE bought it. Sad.
    Your boy Lance is quite happy to go along with myths about him if others will to.
    YOU bought into it.
    I’m fairly sure you’ve been his biggest fanboy over any posts about Lance. It’s usually the reason you appear, someone slags him off and up you pop to defend him.
    I doubt that I've ever been one way or the other about LA. Never said he was this great, caring person or that he was a dope addled monster. Never cared. Don't know him personally like most, on here, seem to profess. Actually I believe he became the celebrity that he is, not because of what he did or didn't do, but because of the publicity, both good and bad, that the fans of cycling put out there on sites like this. Had people simply ignored him he would have simply faded into just one of those people in the past. Besides most people on these cycling sites love this kind of stuff.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,493
    Irony alert...
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    pblakeney said:

    Irony alert...

    Ah but Americans don't do irony, so it's perfectly acceptable for Dennis to continue to post sad Lancey stuff then in the next breath claim he would have faded away, if folks didn't continue to post sad Lancey stuff.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • ocdupalais
    ocdupalais Posts: 4,317
    …or watch him on Letterman, or on the Nike Super Bowl ads, or see him dating Sheryl Crow at NBA, or be best mates with Hollywood A-listers. Other than that, if only Pro Race Forum hadn’t bigged him up so much - he’d have just disappeared!
    His PR team were awful - never capitalised on his true market value. He must be down to his last $100 mill. poor bastard. Now he’s obliged to hang around with riders that people actually liked - George Hincapie and Jan Ullrich…
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,493
    ocdupalais said:

    …Now he’s obliged to hang around with riders that people actually liked - George Hincapie and Jan Ullrich…

    ...and people who pay an absolute fortune to join him for a holiday.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    ocdupalais said:

    …or watch him on Letterman, or on the Nike Super Bowl ads, or see him dating Sheryl Crow at NBA, or be best mates with Hollywood A-listers. Other than that, if only Pro Race Forum hadn’t bigged him up so much - he’d have just disappeared!
    His PR team were awful - never capitalised on his true market value. He must be down to his last $100 mill. poor censored . Now he’s obliged to hang around with riders that people actually liked - George Hincapie and Jan Ullrich…

    I might be wrong, but isn't the majority of his wealth these days a result of a very early investment in Uber? I thought he lost most of his cycling earnings after the court cases.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,506
    edited October 2021
    dennisn said:

    Don't know him personally like most, on here...

    Therefore:

    If you knew him personally then:

    A) He's such a great guy , what a friend, what a personality, always eager to lend a helping hand or listen or talk - no way he's a lying, cheating, manipulative, control freak, He's too nice for that.

    B') Yeah, I know him well - the guy is an @ss. He never put my bin out when I was on vacation once in 20 years of living next door and he rarely said 'hello' He's a lying, cheating, manipulative, control freak.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    phreak said:



    I might be wrong, but isn't the majority of his wealth these days a result of a very early investment in Uber? I thought he lost most of his cycling earnings after the court cases.


    I think he has invested well throughout his career thanks to Thom Wiesel, a tech industry investor who owned the US Postal team.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    pblakeney said:

    ocdupalais said:

    …Now he’s obliged to hang around with riders that people actually liked - George Hincapie and Jan Ullrich…

    ...and people who pay an absolute fortune to join him for a holiday.
    Well, I think pretty much all of us would be glad to accept a big wad of money from people, who worshipped the ground we walk on, just to spend a holiday with us. Lord knows there are plenty of celeb addict's out there willing to pay bunches to get close to their heroes.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    pinno said:

    dennisn said:

    Don't know him personally like most, on here...

    Therefore:

    If you knew him personally then:

    A) He's such a great guy , what a friend, what a personality, always eager to lend a helping hand or listen or talk - no way he's a lying, cheating, manipulative, control freak, He's too nice for that.

    B') Yeah, I know him well - the guy is an @ss. He never put my bin out when I was on vacation once in 20 years of living next door and he rarely said 'hello' He's a lying, cheating, manipulative, control freak.
    That's a big IF. But if I knew him I would probably have an opinion. As is he seemed to be one hell of a bike racer. Nothing wrong with that. In any case I'll let ya know if I happen to cross paths with him and share a few beers.
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,823
    I'll go there

    Is "he seemed to be one hell of a bike racer" not an opinion?

    Or is that fact? Asking for a friend
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    https://youtu.be/jGtfpzT4Lqw
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,718
    edited October 2021
    So...how are we feeling about this..?



    🤔

    Edit - better quality in original tweet
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    ddraver said:

    So...how are we feeling about this..?



    🤔


    When any of Ullrich, Zulle, Kloden, Beloki or Basso claims to be the rightful winner of those Tours (as Schleck does of his), then maybe they will have a point. But it's been a decade of silence from them.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,027
    RichN95. said:

    ddraver said:

    So...how are we feeling about this..?



    🤔


    When any of Ullrich, Zulle, Kloden, Beloki or Basso claims to be the rightful winner of those Tours (as Schleck does of his), then maybe they will have a point. But it's been a decade of silence from them.
    Kloden never wanted to win. That's the only explanation for 2006.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    It's so stupid that grown up people can't just put an asterisk on the name of the actual winner and simply state that "it's there because while he did win, he cheated in order to do so".
    Solves absolutely everything. Goes for Baseball or any other sport. It's so stupid to act like reality didn't happen.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    takethehighroad said:

    I'll go there

    Is "he seemed to be one hell of a bike racer" not an opinion?

    Or is that fact? Asking for a friend

    I don't think too manty people would argue about his abilities on the bike. You seem to be all about his personality or lack of. Not sure how you know that but... In any case he is who he is, just like you and I. I may or may not b an .sshole but I do take a sort of perverse pleasure in picking at scabs and this is a great place for that.

  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Anyhow, getting back to the reason we have this thread.
    This weekend, (today) Jan Ullrich was joined by Joseba Beloki, Alberto Contador and Oscar Freire at the Gran Fondo Mallorca.

    https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/jan-ullrich-undertakes-longest-ride-since-milan-san-remo-1997-at-mallorca-gran-fondo
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,313
    Sad news but addiction must be a terrible thing

    https://cyclingtips.com/2021/12/jan-ullrich-reportedly-taken-to-hospital-after-relapse/
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,493
    I'd look at his choice of friends.
    Are they helping or hindering? Could easily be either.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,313
    that was my thought. Lets go partying, the drinks flow, the weather is lovely etc. Only needs one to say 'come on, where is the harm?'
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,506
    pblakeney said:

    I'd look at his choice of friends.
    Are they helping or hindering? Could easily be either.

    The star, the ex-star, the big guy, the celebrity draw, have a drink, let's party?

    Although, without intimate knowledge, it's unfair to make assumptions.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • bm5
    bm5 Posts: 601
    So sad that Ullrich is in this state.
    Hope he can find some peace somehow
  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 784
    An advertising clip for a new documentary about Jan Ullrich has just been released. The whole documentary to become available at the end of November.
    In it he says „For me to have earlier said, I was not cheating anyone was wrong. At the time, my doping was geared towards my opponents, but of course the fans are also part of the scene."
    The clip also covers him speaking of his subsequent days with lots of cocaine and drinking whisky like water.

    He is again living in Merdingen, not far from Freiburg in SW Germany, where he lived during his hey-day – a return to his youth?

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