La Vuelta 2021 - Rest day one *SPOILERS*

No_Ta_Doctor
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A grand tour should have a spoiler thread every day, even when they're not riding...

I've barely seen any of this years Vuelta though, so what's the chat? Roglic walkover? Ineos tactics? Movistar being Movistar?

How's young Pidcock doing? Does he have a role here, or is he free to ride and learn?

Bring me up to speed!
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,521
    Roglic walkover.
    Ineos failing.
    Moviestar 2 & 3. And team, natch.
    Pidcock on a training course.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Roglic only has a 50% record of winning Grand Tours that he was 'definitely going win' at this stage
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    The main chat is whoever is directing the TV it doesn't know anything about how to direct a bike race but does know a good dramatic story when they see it, with the full director's cut of Valverde's eventual withdrawal but otherwise appalling coverage which leaves most people with little idea of wtf is going on.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    In other news, the Vuelta is still the ugliest of the 3 GTs.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,488
    Due to moving house, only just having internet again and GCN+ having expired with no deal on the horizon, I've simply not seen a single stage yet, so it's hard to take part in any discussion really. 🤭
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,913
    It's been a very frustrating watch coverage wise . ... Ineos not really getting it together . Roglic looks very good for it. Movistar going to get on podium and are riding entertainingly ... Haig under the radar .
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  • bm5
    bm5 Posts: 602
    Coverage is pretty ropey, cut away at vital moments, wobbly cameras.
    Roglic looking really happy and relaxed.
    Shame for Valverde on possibly his last Vuelta.
    Shame about Carthy as well.
    They travelled an awfully long way last week. A lot of teams have got little reward. I think there may be many more abandons in coming days.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,913
    RichN95. said:

    Roglic only has a 50% record of winning Grand Tours that he was 'definitely going win' at this stage

    I get a feeling everyone is banking on him collapsing in the 3rd .....may be wishful thinking
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,913
    Lack of itv4 Coverage has killed it in the forum I think
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  • bianchi_dave
    bianchi_dave Posts: 933
    Just can't get excited about this Vuelta, having seen very little due to work. What I have seen has been a snooze fest - who ever thought a flat sprint stage would be good on a Saturday?? Hardly compelling viewing.

    Roglic is an incredible athlete, no question, but he's just so dull. Tbf English is not his first language but he's just not a very exciting bike rider. Maybe its just me - I've watched a lot of cycling this year so perhaps I'm burnt out (kind of like this Vuelta).

    Roll on PR and the Worlds, and looking forward to ToB - especially last day when I'll cycle up the Cairn to see them fly up a climb that kills me.
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  • bobmcstuff
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    I think marking Carapaz as a potential leader was a mistake- he's clearly over the hill form-wise this year, and who can blame him after the Tour and Olympics. They'd probably have been better off with another domestique.

    Movistar look pretty good despite losing Valverde (and another I think?)
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,048
    edited August 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    The main chat is whoever is directing the TV it doesn't know anything about how to direct a bike race but does know a good dramatic story when they see it, with the full director's cut of Valverde's eventual withdrawal but otherwise appalling coverage which leaves most people with little idea of wtf is going on.

    I've watched it for many years, and this is really the worst footage of any grand tour I have ever seen - they must have changed production company/stopped paying them or something?
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,453
    mididoctors said:

    Lack of itv4 Coverage has killed it in the forum I think

    The highlights on Quest are so poor I've given up on them. Added to the terrible camera work and direction are random cuts in the highlights edit with no explanation e.g cut from the Valverde crash at 45km to go straight to 9km to go
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    A grand tour should have a spoiler thread every day, even when they're not riding...

    I've barely seen any of this years Vuelta though, so what's the chat? Roglic walkover? Ineos tactics? Movistar being Movistar?

    How's young Pidcock doing? Does he have a role here, or is he free to ride and learn?

    Bring me up to speed!

    Same.

    I have Eurosport and have even set the tv box to record every stage and the highlights show and haven't managed to watch pretty much any of it apart from 5 minutes here and there.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    I've watched most of it. The day they showed the stage from the start was a good day of racing, and the day Cort won was a good last hour. There's been too much flat boringness on most of the other days, even when it finishes with a ramp at the end.

    Next weekend should be good.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    There's been a problem of sport overload this year. Euros, Tour and Olympics all in quick succession. The Vuelta's a bit of a hangover
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 12,048
    edited August 2021
    The opening week was pretty flat in many ways to be honest.

    Pidcock may have featured earlier in the stages, but I've only noted him a few times at the pointy end later in proceedings, and nowhere that I have seen in the closing km.
    I suspect he is just using this for miles in the legs, and experience more than anything.

    Mas is looking to be one of the few people who can really challenge Roglic.

    Carapaz and Bernal have looked to be in similar form, ie not as good as Roglic.
    Yates has looked really promising at times, but so far Movistar have always pulled him back, in support of Rog obviously.
    Carapaz looks to be struggling for absolute form, perhaps struggling post olympics, and Bernal may be having back issues again :-(
    I expect they are maybe thinking they should have bought Martinez instead of one of them.

    Saturday (14), Sunday (15), Wednesday (17) and Thursday (18) look like they might be the pick of the remaining stages, where someone/some teams might have a concerted crack at something.

    So far though, if someone attacks, Rog is more than up to closing it down when he feels like it, and then nipping past for bonus seconds as he does.
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  • ddraver
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    mididoctors said:

    Lack of itv4 Coverage has killed it in the forum I think

    I think a lot of people are in my situation of having bought the early bird GCN offer around last year for 20 Squids, pretty much watched 2 full seasons of cycling, but now has to pay 40 squids to have a braying monkey ruining the coverage.

    I'm trying to get into watching the Quest highlights but sticking the last few kms of the stage on when the commentary is giving you zero context makes it a tough watch. All I'm really doing is following the Boulting/Millar podcast which, by not-design, only talks about it tangentially anyway...
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,521
    daniel_b said:


    So far though, if someone attacks, Rog is more than up to closing it down when he feels like it, and then nipping past for bonus seconds as he does.

    Yup!
    Makes it look like he has been on a cafe run prior to making the jump.
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  • Mad_Malx
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    ddraver said:

    mididoctors said:

    Lack of itv4 Coverage has killed it in the forum I think

    I think a lot of people are in my situation of having bought the early bird GCN offer around last year for 20 Squids, pretty much watched 2 full seasons of cycling, but now has to pay 40 squids to have a braying monkey ruining the coverage.

    I'm trying to get into watching the Quest highlights but sticking the last few kms of the stage on when the commentary is giving you zero context makes it a tough watch.
    This is exactly where I am.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    I too hope Pidcock is in there for training miles, prior to a proper good crack at the WCs and PR.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,620
    yorkshireraw said:

    I too hope Pidcock is in there for training miles, prior to a proper good crack at the WCs and PR.

    I hope he's been riding himself in to form with the intention of winning 5 stages in the next 2 weeks
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  • kingstongraham
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  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,823
    Mad_Malx said:

    ddraver said:

    mididoctors said:

    Lack of itv4 Coverage has killed it in the forum I think

    I think a lot of people are in my situation of having bought the early bird GCN offer around last year for 20 Squids, pretty much watched 2 full seasons of cycling, but now has to pay 40 squids to have a braying monkey ruining the coverage.

    I'm trying to get into watching the Quest highlights but sticking the last few kms of the stage on when the commentary is giving you zero context makes it a tough watch.
    This is exactly where I am.
    Me too, along with the sports overload this summer and the knowledge that it's a Spring Classics World's and Roubaix in 4 weeks time.

    Will probably watch loads of the TOB as that's ITV4 and then look for the next GCN offer

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